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ograc said:
I believe an hourly wage equal to the TWU agreement as of the DOS is the minimum. However, the US membership needs to watch they wish for concerning the entire compensation package. Once again; the compensation package is inclusive of many other issues other than hourly wage. Vacation, sick time, scope, medical benefit contribution to name a few. Yes, the current TWU hourly wage is superior; but what about the other issues that make up the entire compensation package? As a whole; which bankruptcy compensation package is worth more to the members? A compensation package, as it is negotiated, encompasses much more than hourly wage to the members. The membership needs to realize this when comparing one compensation package to another. The membership needs to get away from just hourly wage regarding the workers' compensation in a contract. Until we do we will continue to be played by a few extra shillings.
All good points. This is what the company looks at is the total compensation package. Everything is cost out. Having said that though. We should exceed AA in a total compensation package because they have a bankrupt contract and we aren't in bankruptcy anymore. But your right. Many people only look at the money.
 
cltrat said:
thank you Prez then that should be in ours as well
Very well cltrat. Additionally though, are you willing to be comparable to AA concerning the rest of the compensation package at AA? Vacation and sick time accrual. Job protection through scope language? Medical and Dental coverage and contribution rates? Pension / retirement plans? Outside of hourly wage do we know what the rest of the AA compensation package includes? I would suggest we look at the entire compensation package besides hourly wage. I would suggest every member does their due diligence when comparing one groups' compensation package to the other. The company loves when the memberships' focus is strictly on hourly wage. For a few shillings they can gut the rest of your contract and remain cost neutral. 
 
no I'm not willing too and given the profits being made by the company, I don't see any reason I have to either.
 
ograc said:
Very well cltrat. Additionally though, are you willing to be comparable to AA concerning the rest of the compensation package at AA? Vacation and sick time accrual. Job protection through scope language? Medical and Dental coverage and contribution rates? Pension / retirement plans? Outside of hourly wage do we know what the rest of the AA compensation package includes? I would suggest we look at the entire compensation package besides hourly wage. I would suggest every member does their due diligence when comparing one groups' compensation package to the other. The company loves when the memberships' focus is strictly on hourly wage. For a few shillings they can gut the rest of your contract and remain cost neutral. 
Their last proposal wasn't cost neutral, so we don't have to worry about that.  Full sick pay, one more week of vacation and either two or 3 holidays is what I remember.  Scope should be the #1 thing though. And I do think that the sAA wage rate should be the minimum starting point for sUA wage.  We shouldn't be comparing to sAA, but the industry, but with that said, I think the membership would approve a TA if it had the $23.00 2014 wage at DOS.   
 
IMO, our leverage is outstanding and these are very good times to negotiate.  VH would love to be in this position.
 
International Election Update
 
Proud to announce that the IAM reform candidates have secured the required number of endorsements to have the first INTL officer election since the extinction of the Dinosaurs.
The locals in District Lodge 141 led the way, including mine, Local 1487.   The leadership of District Lodge 141 messed with the bulls and got the horns, and its housekeeping matters spilled over into INTL politics, and now there is an election. These guys just don't listen.  They don't listen, man.  Not only are these clowns getting their collective arses handed to them with the District 141 nominations, but Buffy the Union Slayer has them to thank for his own election now. 
 
ograc said:
For the record Tim this EBoard you speak of is the same one you supported and endorsed not long ago. This EBoard was to lead us to the promised land. All that was needed was to vote out the Canale leadership team. You have a long track record of second guessing leadership teams and switching sides dating back to the Teamster representation days. Many don't know your history and therefore find your opinions and views credible. Many of your viewpoints are very credible; while others are politically motivated for a self centered interest and agenda. A mix of truths, half truths and lies. Campaign promises again; that may or may not be able to be achieved.  
Interesting comments although I don't agree with its entirety. 
 
There is no full proof way that one can guarantee how good or bad a candidate will be, but elections keep accountability.  In 2008, myself and 80% of the membership supported the New Direction.  I, personally, decided to engage the issues because of Canale's failures, and the IAMPF issues. Instead of putting myself on a ballot with Delaney, I told him that I wanted to focus on cleaning up the insulting way that the IAM organizes and secure more members in hopes of keeping the IAMPF solvent.  Essentially, Delaney would handle the representation arm, and I would handle the organizing arm. 
Without the New Direction and 2008 and my organizing team, we wouldn't have United Airlines as IAM members today.  Losing those members would have put more pressure on the IAMPF.  So, when we look at the New Direction movement, we can say that its organizing success has helped secure the pensions of our members.  I'm proud of that and it was the right choice to support Delaney over Canale.  Canale had himself to blame.
 
Moving forward, I didn't change,  Delaney did.  My pledge was to the membership,  but the entire eboard went south on the membership by lying and changing its tune, first with the United sUA negotiations. 
 
I could no longer organize for him.  And, just because someone supported someone 6 years ago doesn't mean such candidate is entitled to support.  I stopped supporting Delaney and these brothers/sisters a full year before Delaney won re-election.  He didn't have my support, that's for sure.  And, I made everyone aware [review my post on here] what was coming for United Airlines.  I knew what was being said in the office since I was there and I knew FIRSTHAND what these guys thought of the members and how they talked about them.  It's amazing what was said in those offices.  But it wasn't always like that.  Back in 2008, I felt these guys all went in office as solid union people.  That's why I supported them.  But money corrupts people, and when someone goes from $40,000 to $110,000 in salary, sometimes their feet don't stay to the ground and they blindly serve the IAM [entity] interest over the interest of the members.  That is why I was the first and maybe only member, ever, who drafted a bylaw change and got the support of my Local [no small feat in a big United local] to reduce the salary of officers.  I did that back in 2002 and brought the bylaw change to the floor at the District convention in MCO but it was shot down. 
 
Moving forward, I don't have all the answers, but, imo, we have to clean out the entire eboard which is rotten to the core.  Should we vote for someone who endorsed the United TA?  The answer should be no.   I know enough about labor that if someone can't stand up against that, then no way in hell will they stand up against AH.  No way in hell.   And trust me, as someone who did stand up from an appointed position, it is a whole lot easier to stand up from an elected position where you can't get fired for doing so. I took a lot of heat on here for proclaiming how these guys were going to hose the United members. If you look at the post you will find 700 and Roabily pounding me for warning the United membership about what was to come.  I wasn't a prophet. I knew what I knew.
 
Does that mean that reform candidates are going to be better?  That is my hope, and I think collectively that they will make a difference. But it's the membership's say. And I can only speak for myself and be primarily responsible for myself if I'm elected. 
 
We know the present environment is toxic at United.  For those who are satisfied with what happened at United, they can vote for the current officers and can expect the same at US AIRWAYS.  For the others, they can vote for change. There is still time at US AIRWAYS since our second bite, or joint contract, probably will take several years.  So I still think we have a chance to change the direction that the current group decided to go in at United.  There is no reason to suggest that they will treat the US AIRWAYS members as the "Golden Child".  HAL and UAL got hosed by these guys but our members at US AIRWAYS still have a chance.  I believe that chance starts with change.  We have one chance, and with the nominations this week, our members are making the most of it.
 
ograc said:
Very well cltrat. Additionally though, are you willing to be comparable to AA concerning the rest of the compensation package at AA? Vacation and sick time accrual. Job protection through scope language? Medical and Dental coverage and contribution rates? Pension / retirement plans? Outside of hourly wage do we know what the rest of the AA compensation package includes? I would suggest we look at the entire compensation package besides hourly wage. I would suggest every member does their due diligence when comparing one groups' compensation package to the other. The company loves when the memberships' focus is strictly on hourly wage. For a few shillings they can gut the rest of your contract and remain cost neutral. 
Cargo,
 
I’m all for utilizing the democratic process to better Fleet in the officer elections. However, I think knee-jerk reactions like the “throw the bums out” mentality is counterproductive, and only serves to weaken the group.
 
I’m not sure if this can be done... maybe you, 700, or CB can elaborate, but I think the best avenue would be to vote for new candidates to replace the proven underperformers....a good example would be the AGC that dropped the ball on your grievance.
 
Can we use the voting process to trim dead wood piecemeal, or do we have to vote for an entire ticket? Personally-- I would not vote a straight ticket that contained some of these candidates. The reason is simple... a lot have NO experience other than to campaign, and trash talk.! Prez pointed this out a few pages back... he has never even been a shop steward!
 
The floor is open for discussion...
 
LOCK –N- LOAD!
 
I have never voted a straight ticket, and I don't ever plan to. I have always laughed when one of the candidates hands me a flyer, and recommends that I vote for his total package.
 
Prez and cb

Since there is now a mention of strike, have you leveraged your position and demanded dispensation for the members from the intl or are you guys too scared?
Fwiw the strike pay is at $100 a week, correct? Although prez will continue to get 6 figures, $100 a week will put our weakest links at risk.
demand dispensation from the intl of at least $300 a week. It will solidify our weakest links. $100 a week just wont cut it. AH knows this so lets step things up.
 
So again, can anyone on here tell me if its foreseeable that the US IAM ramp workers will have a better/higher contract than what is in place for TWU AA rampers?  Or is this all a ploy to get a new contract for BOTH the IAM/TWU ramp?
 
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