2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[robbedagain]

It sure would be sweet if the nmb idiots released both iam groups just how fast would those clueless brainless idiotic donkeys runnin the show would come to a fair agreemwnt?

 

[700UW]

Well once a release is granted the NMB will schedule one week of super mediation between the IAM and US.

 

[robbedagain]

Whats the difference btwn super mediation and the nmb neutral one?

 

[700UW]

Regular mediation is what's been going on, super mediation is when the 30 day cooling off period is going to expire and then bring the parties together for intense negotiations.

 

[robbedagain]

Ok thank you

 

[Kev3188]

i dont believe our nc will use any leverage. Most likely, they are hyping then play up a dopey ta and put on the divisive negative spin that if the ta doesnt get passed yhen we are screwed. Its what iam141 eboard does.

These guys talk really big like your reps did at united but then they supported management in the end game and hosed you guys.

Unfortunately, until it happens "again" to the usairways members, some will drink the kool aid. Proposing only a two year deal with a dos wage that is less than bankrupt sAA is a joke. They are all talk and love to lie but they will be found out.

I sincerely hope you're off the mark here. Any UAL-esque T/A not only hoses the US membership, it just about tanks any hope of representation at DL, and adds to the trend of downward pressure at every carrier...

 

[mike33]

I sincerely hope you're off the mark here. Any UAL-esque T/A not only hoses the US membership, it just about tanks any hope of representation at DL, and adds to the trend of downward pressure at every carrier...

AMEN !!!!
 
  I told JetJob a few times that a UA TA could change the industry but i had no idea it would set it back so far!!

 

[psa8979]

m33 d-141 hood-winked many at UAL and now they will pay for their ignorance lets hope WE don't allow it to happen at LCC ? We shall see .

 

[ograc]

i dont believe our nc will use any leverage. Most likely, they are hyping then play up a dopey ta and put on the divisive negative spin that if the ta doesnt get passed yhen we are screwed. Its what iam141 eboard does.

These guys talk really big like your reps did at united but then they supported management in the end game and hosed you guys.

Unfortunately, until it happens "again" to the usairways members, some will drink the kool aid. Proposing only a two year deal with a dos wage that is less than bankrupt sAA is a joke. They are all talk and love to lie but they will be found out.

For the record Tim this EBoard you speak of is the same one you supported and endorsed not long ago. This EBoard was to lead us to the promised land. All that was needed was to vote out the Canale leadership team. You have a long track record of second guessing leadership teams and switching sides dating back to the Teamster representation days. Many don't know your history and therefore find your opinions and views credible. Many of your viewpoints are very credible; while others are politically motivated for a self centered interest and agenda. A mix of truths, half truths and lies. Campaign promises again; that may or may not be able to be achieved.  

 

[P. REZ]

Brothers and Sisters,
 
Here is a follow up to what I stated about meeting in DFW with DP. SJ who AH reports to said that we could have the bankrupt AA contract as is or any way we pleased as long as it was cost neutral to the AA agreement. Each and every one of you I hope would realize that this was a big screw you from the Company. This is the same Company that wasted no time negotiating with another Company's employees. Don't get me wrong, AA deserved what they got and more but we deserve better then what is being offered for our sacrifice. You see, without all of our hard work and dedication, DP would have never been able to pull off this merger.
 
P. Rez      

 

[ograc]

Brothers and Sisters,
 
Here is a follow up to what I stated about meeting in DFW with DP. SJ who AH reports to said that we could have the bankrupt AA contract as is or any way we pleased as long as it was cost neutral to the AA agreement. Each and every one of you I hope would realize that this was a big screw you from the Company. This is the same Company that wasted no time negotiating with another Company's employees. Don't get me wrong, AA deserved what they got and more but we deserve better then what is being offered for our sacrifice. You see, without all of our hard work and dedication, DP would have never been able to pull off this merger.
 
P. Rez      

P. Rez,
I would hope the US DL 141 leadership and it's negotiating committee sticks to their guns! Otherwise, they will certainly suffer the same wrath of the membership, that I believe and agree with Tim, will be unleashed on the UA leadership of DL 141 in the nominations and eventual elections in June. I, for one, will be watching. If the US NC and US District leadership team brings back and endorses a TA similar to the one negotiated at UA they will have lost all credibility. Their collective futures as IAM DL 141 Officers and representatives will be in jeapordy. The very members who ratified the UA agreement are now about to have the DL 141 UA leadership held accountable for agreeing to and bringing back such a sub par contract. IMO... the biggest void in the agreement was the lack of job protection (Scope). I hope the US side of DL 141 learns from past mistakes on UA and are not destined to repeat them. There are many who have had enough. They are willing to take a stand; for we are nearing the edge of the cliff. LOCK and LOAD!  

 

[Black Magic]

Brothers and Sisters,
 
Here is a follow up to what I stated about meeting in DFW with DP. SJ who AH reports to said that we could have the bankrupt AA contract as is or any way we pleased as long as it was cost neutral to the AA agreement. Each and every one of you I hope would realize that this was a big screw you from the Company. This is the same Company that wasted no time negotiating with another Company's employees. Don't get me wrong, AA deserved what they got and more but we deserve better then what is being offered for our sacrifice. You see, without all of our hard work and dedication, DP would have never been able to pull off this merger.
 
P. Rez      

 
In all seriousness what are the odds that the company is going or has to give the IAM represented employees a compensation package that is higher than the TWU contract in place? I just don't see it happening, and will cause even more strife among the workers.

 

[cltrat]

 
In all seriousness what are the odds that the company is going or has to give the IAM represented employees a compensation package that is higher than the TWU contract in place? I just don't see it happening, and will cause even more strife among the workers.

that's a valid point too, then the AA employees will be bitching just like we are.

 

[ograc]

 
In all seriousness what are the odds that the company is going or has to give the IAM represented employees a compensation package that is higher than the TWU contract in place? I just don't see it happening, and will cause even more strife among the workers.

I believe an hourly wage equal to the TWU agreement as of the DOS is the minimum. However, the US membership needs to watch they wish for concerning the entire compensation package. Once again; the compensation package is inclusive of many other issues other than hourly wage. Vacation, sick time, scope, medical benefit contribution to name a few. Yes, the current TWU hourly wage is superior; but what about the other issues that make up the entire compensation package? As a whole; which bankruptcy compensation package is worth more to the members? A compensation package, as it is negotiated, encompasses much more than hourly wage to the members. The membership needs to realize this when comparing one compensation package to another. The membership needs to get away from just hourly wage regarding the workers' compensation in a contract. Until we do we will continue to be played by a few extra shillings. 

 

[Black Magic]

Yes I'm talking about the "entire compensation package" not just the hourly wage.  From everything I hear the IAM is pushing for a package that is HIGHER than the TWU one.  The company already knows it has to pay the rest of the iam ramp the same rate as what was agreed upon with the TWU.  Pre contract acceptance they've already done the math and will do so, but will drag it out as long as possible to get to that point to save more $$.  My main concern is there a legitimate fight in trying to get a better "compensation package" if its not feasible?