2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

AA contractual provisions

1. scope 49 weekly for 17 remaining stations until day before amendable date in 2017, then 105 weekly. 140 weekly to get work back.
 

 
This is why our 56 weekly is untouchable. Good for the 17 big AA stations. Bad for the smaller ones that are below 15 a day

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I did indeed tell DP that the IAM would not cooperate. There are numerous Union leaders that witnessed this including VH.
 
Carry on

thats different than what you posted earlier. My comments were a response to your earlier comments that you told dp that nobody would file scs until a ta. It doesnt matter what you say, its in the agreement and its non negotiable. At any rate, my point was that it doesnt matter what you say. Big deal you told him that the iam wont cooperate.

 

[robbedagain]

i think its long been time to work exactly by the flippin rule book and if the flippin planes take a delay  so be it..   delays will add up  mgmt will get the attention etc   

 

[P. REZ]

thats different than what you posted earlier. My comments were a response to your earlier comments that you told dp that nobody would file scs until a ta. It doesnt matter what you say, its in the agreement and its non negotiable. At any rate, my point was that it doesnt matter what you say. Big deal you told him that the iam wont cooperate.

thats different than what you posted earlier. My comments were a response to your earlier comments that you told dp that nobody would file scs until a ta. It doesnt matter what you say, its in the agreement and its non negotiable. At any rate, my point was that it doesnt matter what you say. Big deal you told him that the iam wont cooperate.

Tim,

Kindly reread my post #1126, sheesh, and now is doesn't matter what we tell DP?

P. Rez

 

[robbedagain]

prez   now that those brainless donkeys have made clear that we wont get contracts now  do you think that the nmb will actually grant a release to both iam groups or is it a ploy to see how far the donkeys can press your all buttons?

 

[charlie Brown]

CB,
 
I completely agree that one needs to look at the whole compensation package, instead of just the topped out wage.  As the Company insists on being cost-neutral relative to AA FSAs, it might be worth some consideration to provide the estimated hourly cost differences between the two work groups?
 
For example, and I am completely pulling numbers out of thin air or making general estimates, but if we start with the topped-out hourly base pay:
 
 
Est. Hourly Costs                  US         AA       
Topped-Out Wage        $   20.50  $   23.00
Health Insurance           $     6.00  $     5.00
Pension                         $     1.00  $          -  
401K Match                   $           -    $     0.80
Vacation                        $     2.00  $     2.00
FICA, SS, UE, etc.         $     3.00  $     3.50
Overtime                       $     0.75  $     0.50
Holiday Pay                   $     0.50  $     0.75
Shift Pay                        $           -    $     1.00      
TOTAL                           $   33.75  $   36.55
                                  
Again, these are purely fictional numbers, so no one go posting them in breakrooms.  However, I think it would allow the Membership to understand and make a judgment as to wage versus other benefits. Also I think the Company would love to inform the Membership, not to mention, the general public, as to the costs of hiring a FSA to make their case about being reasonable.
 
My proposal is not perfect as it does not consider intangibles related to scope, nor would everyone be making the topped-out wage, especially if the length of time to be topped-out changes.  However, it is a starting point instead of making vague, general statements about wages vs. benefits without having realistic numbers to compare.

Jester
I don't have my figures right in front of me, but I'm pretty sure your very close to the US figure, but too high on the AA figure. The company has us much closer, of course this has been their argument for sometime now, is that we currently are even with AA with everything cost out. Our argument has always been and still is we should exceed AA on the total value because we are making record profits. AH of course wanted us to go into joint talks a long time ago and raise both sides together. But there will be many things the TWU will be coming after for their members that we currently have, so that takes money just to get them what we have now. That's why we feel we have to secure things now.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,Kindly reread my post #1126, sheesh, and now is doesn't matter what we tell DP?P. Rez

no it doesnt and hasnt. Sorry pat but when you told dp that no scs application wont be filed unless you get a ta, he must have only heard a childish rant that is meaningless since he already has the twu on the clock.
stop the bs about the association as well. There is no federally recognized association until prolly a year from now (if that) sometime after a representational election. Either you dont have any idea who you are talking to or you got true s for brains. Stop it, its insulting. You can get away with it to some usairways members who dont understand the law or processes but you are embarrassing the rest of us since we know AH is reading your bull s.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Jester
I don't have my figures right in front of me, but I'm pretty sure your very close to the US figure, but too high on the AA figure. The company has us much closer, of course this has been their argument for sometime now, is that we currently are even with AA with everything cost out. Our argument has always been and still is we should exceed AA on the total value because we are making record profits. AH of course wanted us to go into joint talks a long time ago and raise both sides together. But there will be many things the TWU will be coming after for their members that we currently have, so that takes money just to get them what we have now. That's why we feel we have to secure things now.

what is your current proposal on the table regarding scope? Lol. AH knows what it is so can you kindly share the truth with the members you represent?

 

[700UW]

Seems we know where Tim is being fed his information from, same guy who gave the IBT the IAM/US name list.

 

[P. REZ]

no it doesnt and hasnt. Sorry pat but when you told dp that no scs application wont be filed unless you get a ta, he must have only heard a childish rant that is meaningless since he already has the twu on the clock.
stop the bs about the association as well. There is no federally recognized association until prolly a year from now (if that) sometime after a representational election. Either you dont have any idea who you are talking to or you got true s for brains. Stop it, its insulting. You can get away with it to some usairways members who dont understand the law or processes but you are embarrassing the rest of us since we know AH is reading your bull s.

Tim,

You are losing it bro. Kindly, read what I say not what you think I say.

carry on

 

[P. REZ]

what is your current proposal on the table regarding scope? Lol. AH knows what it is so can you kindly share the truth with the members you represent?

Tim,

Go ask your rat.

I told you before that I am not at liberty to discuss what is or isn't in our TA.

carry on

 

[mike33]

what is your current proposal on the table regarding scope? Lol. AH knows what it is so can you kindly share the truth with the members you represent?

Personally, I would like to know what i'm " Walking " against if that happens. If an impasse is on the table then i don't want any surprises when questioned by anyone who might ask me. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

These guys pissed away 9 months. They filed for a release and told the nmb they were at an impasse. The nmb didnt rule since there was movement from the union so that now they are claiming impasse parttwo.
Its all political bull s. And the twu has to file single carrier. These guys cant be straight and have to lie about everything. I dont mind people getting pissed at me for calling out the bs but i rooted these guys out at united and ill root them out at usairways. They dont give a rats arse about any of us and woyld rather kiss you with a lie instead of slapping you with the truth.

These pricks better get dispebsation for our members instead of $100 a week for strike.they need to grow some stones and demand it.
also, only one group will strike, if any, so thry better stop shitttting folks that all iam members will strike.

 

[charlie Brown]

what is your current proposal on the table regarding scope? Lol. AH knows what it is so can you kindly share the truth with the members you represent?

Tim
I'm going to say this about our last proposal, which by the way was before the merger was completed. We have never believed we should be equal to AA with our total compensation package. In fact once you cost everything out, we currently are right now equal to AA. That's without making any improvements. Just adding a 5th week vacation would then put is above them. But I, and the whole committee thinks we should be above them. You keep saying how scope is above all, but then you keep posting about pay. AA is down to 17 stations at 22.53 a hour. And 1.50 lead premium, not 1.75 like you want everyone to believe. Now do I think we should be up to AA wage rates with our 35 stations ? Yes I do. Company does not. There lies the main issue. But stop posting things, and think you are baiting us to post things to prove you wrong. We will put out official proposals if and when we can do so. We have all made agreements on the team to put out the same info. So we discuss things as a team before we release things. We don't keep things from the membership. That's why PRez and myself are always on here trying to keep everyone as up to date as we can.

 

[mike33]

Tim
I'm going to say this about our last proposal, which by the way was before the merger was completed. We have never believed we should be equal to AA with our total compensation package. In fact once you cost everything out, we currently are right now equal to AA. That's without making any improvements. Just adding a 5th week vacation would then put is above them. But I, and the whole committee thinks we should be above them. You keep saying how scope is above all, but then you keep posting about pay. AA is down to 17 stations at 22.53 a hour. And 1.50 lead premium, not 1.75 like you want everyone to believe. Now do I think we should be up to AA wage rates with our 35 stations ? Yes I do. Company does not. There lies the main issue. But stop posting things, and think you are baiting us to post things to prove you wrong. We will put out official proposals if and when we can do so. We have all made agreements on the team to put out the same info. So we discuss things as a team before we release things. We don't keep things from the membership. That's why PRez and myself are always on here trying to keep everyone as up to date as we can.

Thanks CB, but, if we are at an impasse and the union has printed such to its members, what harm is it to know what we may walk or hold out for? The company has committed ( by the IAM update ) so it seams. If they haven't and its  a play on words ok. Im fine with that, because they may come back to the table and i'm sure there is a non-disclosure agreement till something is signed. But, if we are truly at an impasse then i would like to know specifics unless a agreement precludes that.