2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

These guys pissed away 9 months. They filed for a release and told the nmb they were at an impasse. The nmb didnt rule since there was movement from the union so that now they are claiming impasse parttwo.
Its all political bull s. And the twu has to file single carrier. These guys cant be straight and have to lie about everything. I dont mind people getting pissed at me for calling out the bs but i rooted these guys out at united and ill root them out at usairways. They dont give a rats arse about any of us and woyld rather kiss you with a lie instead of slapping you with the truth.

These pricks better get dispebsation for our members instead of $100 a week for strike.they need to grow some stones and demand it.
also, only one group will strike, if any, so thry better stop shitttting folks that all iam members will strike.

You do realize, the NMB is in control of the talks, another armchair QB.
 
You do more harm than good.
 
You do know your constant name calling, attacks and insults, shows who you really are and you lose any credibility.

 

[charlie Brown]

Ive always delivered under the membership under their dime and even when im not getting paud. I would have loved to be in clt already and out of this nasty weather. At any rate, ive always done what was asked of me. You dont have to make a deal with me over your job though.

Tim
Not making a deal with you!! I never said you didn't deliver for the members either. It's just I don't care who gets credit for things. You have all these ideas and things we can do and should be doing, I'm just asking you to step up and let's get them done. If that means you being on the committee with us, or one of us from clt stepping down so you can get on, I'm willing to do whatever the membership wants. Let's stop talking all the BS, and see if we can get you on. And yeah, I don't blame you about that weather.

 

[700UW]

 
Do you know that if AA does not fly into a USairways city,  that if you have less than 20 flights a day when we become AA, you can be outsourced?..... That is one reason a TWU contract melding sucks. Fight for your scope !
 



[SIZE=12pt]The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented Fleet Service employees are assigned currently with 2555 5475 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]and above annual departures or 1460 for Ground Service employees and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]will staff new cities (those not currently staffed by the TWU) at or above[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 5475 7300 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]annual departures. for Fleet Service employees and 3650 for Ground Service employees. The Company will also restaff former TWU staffed cities that have been de-staffed once those cities reach 2555 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]7300 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]and above annual departures. for Fleet Service employees and 1460 for Ground Service employees. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]The Bold numbers are the changed numbers[/SIZE]



 

Wrong, nothing changes until you get a JCBA, the PMUS ramp will follow their CBA until a new one is ratified or a JCBA is ratified.
 
You wont work under the PMAA CBA.
 
Dont you know the US/HP FAs worked under separate agreements for eight years and the pilots still are?

 

[DFWFSC]

i appreciate your views on scope. Scope is the most important thing to enhance above all. Enhancing it is incredibly contentious with the company but it must be done. These airlines are projected to make billions and billions as the industry has finally consoludated. They F us out of profit sharing but we cant be F out of small stations. The meaning of mainline is also changing so we have to nail down what the hell a mainline jet is and stop blaming alpa.

I agree. The real problem is all these people running to the airport and sucking up all these $7hr jobs. As long as this go's on the company will keep outsourcing anything and everything. They don't care about quality when cost is involved.

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,
 
I have stated in this thread before that I hoped you were lucky enough to be on a NC some day. Maybe now is the time? Maybe you can tell AH what we haven't, lol.
 
P. Rez  

 

[P. REZ]

prez   now that those brainless donkeys have made clear that we wont get contracts now  do you think that the nmb will actually grant a release to both iam groups or is it a ploy to see how far the donkeys can press your all buttons?

Time will tell.

 

[700UW]

Airline unions need to go after the vendors and unionize them to bring their wages up.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim
It's boring going back and forth with you. I'll make you a deal. Since your coming to clt, hurry and transfer ASAP. You and I can walk around together, and you can tell them all everything you can do and get them if your on the negotiating team. If the membership would rather have you, then I'll step down and let you take over. I'll even give you all the credit. I'm here for the membership, this has nothing to do personally, or politically. But since you can get all of this done, I think we need to start pushing for you to be on the team. And you can let the team know what all your going to do and put out to the members. I wish you would quit all your talking and back it up with actions. If the members want you on the team, I'll even be your biggest supporter to get you on. And don't say we can't do it, because Delaney won't allow it. You make the commitment for the membership, and we will see if we can get the rest of the team to approve. The offer is there, do you want to take me up on it?? I think you should. Maybe everyone else in clt thinks I'm a prick and liar like you do. If that's the case, come on down, and we can see who they prefer.

Tim & CB,
 
This is a great idea. Time for Tim to "put up or shut up". Prove to the members that what he think's we should get, he can get for us. it's not about what he "has" done in the past, it's about what he "can" do for us now. After all it's about the betterment of our professional lives here, not some personal political agenda is it? I'll support you being on the NC also. What say you Tim? Care to step up to the plate, and put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I have stated in this thread before that I hoped you were lucky enough to be on a NC some day. Maybe now is the time? Maybe you can tell AH what we haven't, lol.
 
P. Rez

prez
its not what you tell him but rather looking around you and assessing the current climate and then leveraging your position.
you guys have my support for a strike but id like to see the following and i think it is very doable.

If we are really getting ready to strike, then we need to get our members $350 a week instead of $100.
You and the entire negotiations team are in a position of leverage to get that dispensation from the intl to our peeps.
the intl officers are goibg to be in an election that scares the hell out of them. You guys need to be articulate enough to let them know that if they dont give our peeps the written commitment of $350 a week that you all would turn your support away from them and support the reform team.
If the intl is smart, it will listen and give dispensation.

By doing that, ah sees that the intl is committed to the usairways members and he realizes that can change the outcome and the stakes are raised.

Prez, listen, its not anything that you or me can say to AH, he has to see it.

As far as the nc, My understanding is that there is an impasse so there isnt any negotiations going to happen. However, i have no problem if you guys read me in because the different techniques of leverage (like the one i just gave you) are leverage plays that everyone needs to see. Big Al knows $100 a week is going to root out our weakest links. $350 a week and partial unemployment keeps everyone out for the summer.

 

[P. REZ]

prez
its not what you tell him but rather looking around you and assessing the current climate and then leveraging your position.
you guys have my support for a strike but id like to see the following and i think it is very doable.

If we are really getting ready to strike, then we need to get our members $350 a week instead of $100.
You and the entire negotiations team are in a position of leverage to get that dispensation from the intl to our peeps.
the intl officers are goibg to be in an election that scares the hell out of them. You guys need to be articulate enough to let them know that if they dont give our peeps the written commitment of $350 a week that you all would turn your support away from them and support the reform team.
If the intl is smart, it will listen and give dispensation.

By doing that, ah sees that the intl is committed to the usairways members and he realizes that can change the outcome and the stakes are raised.

Prez, listen, its not anything that you or me can say to AH, he has to see it.

As far as the nc, My understanding is that there is an impasse so there isnt any negotiations going to happen. However, i have no problem if you guys read me in because the different techniques of leverage (like the one i just gave you) are leverage plays that everyone needs to see. Big Al knows $100 a week is going to root out our weakest links. $350 a week and partial unemployment keeps everyone out for the summer.

Tim,
 
I hear you, thanks for not attacking and posting a reasonable request.
 
P. Rez

 

[robbedagain]

www.iam141.org  usairways negogiations at impasse!  
 
itd sure be sweet to hear the nmb releases both iam groups at the same time...  talk about raised stakes there!

 

[737823]

Airline unions need to go after the vendors and unionize them to bring their wages up.

Swissport

Air Wisconsin

Air Serve

Hudson General

All bonafide IAM dues paying vendors that earn rock bottom wages and weak benefits. But the dues are no different to the international and district lodge-reduced rate compared to mainline but it's still dues for Buffy and Roach.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I have stated in this thread before that I hoped you were lucky enough to be on a NC some day. Maybe now is the time? Maybe you can tell AH what we haven't, lol.
 
P. Rez

to follow up again. The intl has to do this or they are done and will get their arse handed to them in their elections. But you guys have to be strong for our members and make sure the intl knows you will surely support reform if they dont support our peeps with dispensation then they arent worth a F.

They better do it and i hope you guys carry through if they dont. Dont go thru reagon, he is just a pawn. Go through buffy and roach. If you mention my name it will give you credibility. Roach plays hard but i never backed down from him and jumped his **** (really jumped his **** i mean) and got what i needed for the airtran and united members. So i know at least that roach listens after the metaphorical gun is placed on his head. Go balls to the wall and get this **** done. Thats the only way.

 

[ograc]

Going forward Brothers and Sisters we are one step closer to being released to take economic action (strike) against DP and his new American. Which collective bargaining unit will be released first is up to the NMB. Either way... a release and subsequent publically announced "30 day cooling off period' spells adverse financial and public relations impacts on the company even prior to a strike. Customers decide to book on other airlines rather than take the risk of service disruption or failure. US Members at DL 142 & 141 are united in their quest to obtain fair Section 6 contracts prior to entering into Transition Talks. The leadership teams and NCs at both districts have made this clear to AH and his superiors at US. Get ready to Lock and Load Brothers and Sisters. We're going to have to fight for any recognition of past sacrifices and if need be SHUT IT DOWN! 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Josh
We have already seen when the iam has vendors that they use those jobs against mainline (see iad) and also negotiate vendor wages downward like at air wisconsin.
The proper organizing strategy has to be to go after jetblue, spirit, and delta.
Going after vendors who destroy our jobs (see american eagle) without focusing first on completing mainline organizing is a scandal.