2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[pjirish317]

i already commented.

No, you dodged the question. Would you put your diferences aside with the current leadership, to be part of the NC, and put your money where your mouth is? Or is it bluster? Scared you wouldnt be able to deliver what you promise, or what you say we should get? So I'll ask in plain english. As the saying goes, put up or shut up, and I would love to see you on the NC.
 
Would you be part of the NC if given the chance now?
If no, why?
 
Regards.

 

[ograc]

A strike would be crippling the first week or so, but how long due you think it will take AA to counter act? I bet they would put as many AA metal into CLT and PHL as possible and re-staff with TWU to work the AA metal on some of US's most important routes out of those hubs. They could re-route US metal into cities that are already outsourced and there wouldn't be any TWU picket line crossing issues. AA could take spare widebodys or grab a few out of retirement and run some INTL out of the US hubs with TWU working them.....just my opinion on all this.....but AA will get ahead of the game if they know the IAM is gonna walk.

Can you imagine the cost to the company? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just come to terms for fair Section 6 contracts for both groups? Push may come to shove with his issue; but I'm certain DP didn't promise this to the shareholders and investors behind this merger. If need be the nuclear option, scortch  the earth, will be engaged. All parties lose. Greetings Professer... "The only smart choice is to not play the game. How about a nice game of chess?" - War Games. 

 

[wings396]

Without any AA fleet service people in PHL or CLT, I don't think that they would be able to set up shop and operate flights as you suggest. Training and getting an airport ID with the required background checks would take a month easily.

 

[mike33]

Without any AA fleet service people in PHL or CLT, I don't think that they would be able to set up shop and operate flights as you suggest. Training and getting an airport ID with the required background checks would take a month easily.

  If there is one big key,  it is obviously the hubs. The hubs have a chance to do real damage to the companies line of thinking. Hell,  we all want the company to succeed as they have,  but how about us? This employee base has pushed you to the next level as the no 1 airline in the world. Time to ANTE UP !!!
 
The threat is real. Don't mistake 2008 for 2014. 

 

[Jester]

Woe onto any AA FSA who performs struck work in PHX, CLT, PHL or anywhere else for that matter, but especially in those stations in which AA presently has no FSA operating, which means those agents were brought in from the outside voluntarily.
 
I was wishing for a strike back in 2008 when West was being paid upwards of $5/hour less  versus East, while the Tempe Boys claimed to be one big happy operating company!  New hires off the street for East were making $10/hour and 6 years West guys were just getting to $10/hour.  No different this time either with AA guys operating under a bankrupt contract would still be making more than US during some rather profitable years?!  You fricking kidding me?!  Where's my picket sign?

 

[DFWFSC]

Woe onto any AA FSA who performs struck work in PHX, CLT, PHL or anywhere else for that matter, but especially in those stations in which AA presently has no FSA operating, which means those agents were brought in from the outside voluntarily.


How could it be struck work if AA dumps a bunch of 738s and A319s into US hubs and brings back all the guys that were rif'd from those stations? Those 738s and A319s are AA metal.
 
I was wishing for a strike back in 2008 when West was being paid upwards of $5/hour less  versus East, while the Tempe Boys claimed to be one big happy operating company!  New hires off the street for East were making $10/hour and 6 years West guys were just getting to $10/hour.  No different this time either with AA guys operating under a bankrupt contract would still be making more than US during some rather profitable years?!  You fricking kidding me?!  Where's my picket sign?

 

[mike33]

 

Woe onto any AA FSA who performs struck work in PHX, CLT, PHL or anywhere else for that matter, but especially in those stations in which AA presently has no FSA operating, which means those agents were brought in from the outside voluntarily.


How could it be struck work if AA dumps a bunch of 738s and A319s into US hubs and brings back all the guys that were rif'd from those stations? Those 738s and A319s are AA metal.
 
I was wishing for a strike back in 2008 when West was being paid upwards of $5/hour less  versus East, while the Tempe Boys claimed to be one big happy operating company!  New hires off the street for East were making $10/hour and 6 years West guys were just getting to $10/hour.  No different this time either with AA guys operating under a bankrupt contract would still be making more than US during some rather profitable years?!  You fricking kidding me?!  Where's my picket sign?

 

I believe jester is talking about US aircraft . Besides, there is no way to recover the lost seats. Redeployment of AA craft would have to lessen service in other AA cities.  We all just want whats fair! !!!   Lets shed the cloak of unhappy employees and see this airline through and to a bright future..... If that is possible with this MGMT.

 

[necigrad]

If an impasse is declared and a strike vote taken and passed, I'd like to see the union take the offensive PRIOR to the strike.  We can't engage in any actions, but is there anything that says we can't put ads in the paper?  Ad that maybe suggest the possibility/probability of a strike and that people shouldn't book on US?  Maybe even phrase it so it implies AA as well (without lying of course)?

 

[700UW]

Each group's contractual language gives them the right to honor legally sanctioned picket lines. The company, however, will immediately run to the courts seeking an injunction seeking any sympathy strikers, outside of the affected bargaining unit, to return to work. The courts will issue an immediate injunction to this request. Failure to comply will result in monetary fines levied against the union. Just my opinion. Please correct me if i am wrong. Bottom line: The front line battle is that of the released work group. Support is provided by other work groups, even if they are forced by court order, to return to work. Those forced to cross lines and report to work will ultimately be paid to report,support the cause on property and get paid by the company to do it. The nuclear option. Hopefully, the company stands down before it is engaged. We'll call AH! 
Lock and Load!

Cargo,
 
Its all ready been arbitrated and the AFA won, as you know they did this when M&R went on strike in 92 and got a TRO to get the AFA back to work, the AFA took it to arbitration and won, so its precedent setting, so language has been tested and won.

 

[Real tired]

Woe onto any AA FSA who performs struck work in PHX, CLT, PHL or anywhere else for that matter, but especially in those stations in which AA presently has no FSA operating, which means those agents were brought in from the outside voluntarily.
 
I was wishing for a strike back in 2008 when West was being paid upwards of $5/hour less  versus East, while the Tempe Boys claimed to be one big happy operating company!  New hires off the street for East were making $10/hour and 6 years West guys were just getting to $10/hour.  No different this time either with AA guys operating under a bankrupt contract would still be making more than US during some rather profitable years?!  You fricking kidding me?!  Where's my picket sign?

 
Man !!!  Great post !!!
 
I wish we could clone about 2000 of you for the M&R side, because at 142, we are scared to death.

 

[737823]

Josh
We have already seen when the iam has vendors that they use those jobs against mainline (see iad) and also negotiate vendor wages downward like at air wisconsin.
The proper organizing strategy has to be to go after jetblue, spirit, and delta.
Going after vendors who destroy our jobs (see american eagle) without focusing first on completing mainline organizing is a scandal.

Tim maybe the JetBlue and Delta employees see things like the UA agreement and then decide they're better unorganized if that is what IAM considers a monumental agreement.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Josh
iam141 has screwed up things so bad at united that you are absolutely right. We have an opportunity at usair in which we should be able to get sAA wages at dos and secure more scope. IMore scope should be number 1 because this industry is finally consoladated and going to kick arse but now is the time to protect and increase jobs.
im disappointed that the unions have slashed jobs and expanded their scab members at vendors to do our work. As i said earluer, they need to organuze delta jetblue spurit first before they even think about organizing other scab outfits like eagle ir air wisconsin.

If the unions were bringing up wages and benefits of their scab outfits then ok, but they arent. Iam142 just signed another pay cut at air wisconsin to bid on work at iad.
a scandal indeed.

 

[roabilly]

Tim & CB,
 
This is a great idea. Time for Tim to "put up or shut up". Prove to the members that what he think's we should get, he can get for us. it's not about what he "has" done in the past, it's about what he "can" do for us now. After all it's about the betterment of our professional lives here, not some personal political agenda is it? I'll support you being on the NC also. What say you Tim? Care to step up to the plate, and put your money where your mouth is.

AGREED! If Nelson is all he thinks, and claims he is... he will clamor all over himself to seize the opportunity CB has offered him!
 
For those that missed it... one of the folks on the negotiating team offered to let Nelson take his place and/or sit in on negotiations. Nelson of course never accepted this offer for reasons obvious to all.
 
This is the chance of a lifetime... so all of the Timmy supporters on this thread need to ask him why he’s not willing to do what he says he can do!
 
Put up... or Shut-up Nelson!

 

[ChockJockey]

 We all just want whats fair! !!!   Lets shed the cloak of unhappy employees and see this airline through and to a bright future..... If that is possible with this MGMT.

 
That's exactly how I feel.  I'm ready to be on board with making American great again and do what it takes to make this happen, but I can't in good conscience while being played for a sucker by management who, contrary to wanting a "motivated and engaged" workforce, would rather string us along. 
 
Doug sold this merger to Congress, the media, and the public by saying that, among other things, the New American would be able to provide better compensation to those working in it; we're not doing anything but helping Parker and friends keep their word.

 

[ChockJockey]

AGREED! If Nelson is all he thinks, and claims he is... he will clamor all over himself to seize the opportunity CB has offered him!
 
For those that missed it... one of the folks on the negotiating team offered to let Nelson take his place and/or sit in on negotiations. Nelson of course never accepted this offer for reasons obvious to all.
 
This is the chance of a lifetime... so all of the Timmy supporters on this thread need to ask him why he’s not willing to do what he says he can do!
 
Put up... or Shut-up Nelson!

 
I would like to see this as well.  If only to spare us from his never-ending verbal assaults against the NC...take the streetwise-tough-guy schtick out of the forums and into the negotiating room.  At least it'd be entertaining.