2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

Going forward Brothers and Sisters we are one step closer to being released to take economic action (strike) against DP and his new American. Which collective bargaining unit will be released first is up to the NMB. Either way... a release and subsequent publically announced "30 day cooling off period' spells adverse financial and public relations impacts on the company even prior to a strike. Customers decide to book on other airlines rather than take the risk of service disruption or failure. US Members at DL 142 & 141 are united in their quest to obtain fair Section 6 contracts prior to entering into Transition Talks. The leadership teams and NCs at both districts have made this clear to AH and his superiors at US. Get ready to Lock and Load Brothers and Sisters. We're going to have to fight for any recognition of past sacrifices and if need be SHUT IT DOWN! 

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[roabilly]

Seems we know where Tim is being fed his information from, same guy who gave the IBT the IAM/US name list.

I think you're right! Every other word is "AH knows"... "AH played you"... it HAS to be AH himself that he is in bed with!

 

[700UW]

That's what I was thinking and have been for a while.

 

[pjirish317]

Who cares really. He could be getting his information somewhere within the iam itself? Nobody knows. And I personally dont care. The only thing he post's is hearsay, with absolutely no proof to back it up. And until he can back up his claims, that is all it is, HEARSAY with absolutely NO CREDIBILITY, and should be taken as such. Nuff Said.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim & CB,
 
This is a great idea. Time for Tim to "put up or shut up". Prove to the members that what he think's we should get, he can get for us. it's not about what he "has" done in the past, it's about what he "can" do for us now. After all it's about the betterment of our professional lives here, not some personal political agenda is it? I'll support you being on the NC also. What say you Tim? Care to step up to the plate, and put your money where your mouth is.

Tim,
 
No Comment?

 

[roabilly]

700,
 
All this talk of 141 getting released and not the 142 or vice versa should be irrelevant. In the event of strike, aren't ALL IAM members required not to cross the picket lines. Essentially, wouldn't the end result be that both groups would be out along with the AFA if they chose to honor? 

 

[roabilly]

Who cares really. He could be getting his information somewhere within the iam itself? Nobody knows. And I personally dont care. The only thing he post's is hearsay, with absolutely no proof to back it up. And until he can back up his claims, that is all it is, HEARSAY with absolutely NO CREDIBILITY, and should be taken as such. Nuff Said.

If he actually is getting fed disinformation from AH, that means AH is playing him to divide us, and that means he would know what his actions are doing to the group.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
No Comment?

i already commented.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I hear you, thanks for not attacking and posting a reasonable request.
 
P. Rez

no problem. It looks like the end game so strike preparation is the focus and you can count on me to fully zupport a strike. Managrment is being ridiculous. Although it didnt ask for scope in its ptoposal, suggesting you have to give up scope to get sAA wages (which arent great) is profane given that the airline is farther along financially than it projected.

 

[Hope777]

Airline unions need to go after the vendors and unionize them to bring their wages up.

700, were YOU not part of the IAM when these companies became about?  Why didnt YOU start a card drive for the IAM?   You were in the know, part of the Trial Group, the NC and everywhere you said you have been.  WHY didnt you go after them???  Is it because the IAM only cared about M & R ?????   I am sure Joe M and Tommy R will tell you YES! Remember I worked with the both of them and They both HATED the Fleet guys ( even though Joes's Son was Fleet)

 

[freedom]

How is the social media campaign going ? What issues that resonate with the public have we been hitting the company on ? I haven't seen much mention on this topic ...

 

[DFWFSC]

A strike would be crippling the first week or so, but how long due you think it will take AA to counter act? I bet they would put as many AA metal into CLT and PHL as possible and re-staff with TWU to work the AA metal on some of US's most important routes out of those hubs. They could re-route US metal into cities that are already outsourced and there wouldn't be any TWU picket line crossing issues. AA could take spare widebodys or grab a few out of retirement and run some INTL out of the US hubs with TWU working them.....just my opinion on all this.....but AA will get ahead of the game if they know the IAM is gonna walk.

 

[ograc]

700,
 
All this talk of 141 getting released and not the 142 or vice versa should be irrelevant. In the event of strike, aren't ALL IAM members required not to cross the picket lines. Essentially, wouldn't the end result be that both groups would be out along with the AFA if they chose to honor? 

Each group's contractual language gives them the right to honor legally sanctioned picket lines. The company, however, will immediately run to the courts seeking an injunction seeking any sympathy strikers, outside of the affected bargaining unit, to return to work. The courts will issue an immediate injunction to this request. Failure to comply will result in monetary fines levied against the union. Just my opinion. Please correct me if i am wrong. Bottom line: The front line battle is that of the released work group. Support is provided by other work groups, even if they are forced by court order, to return to work. Those forced to cross lines and report to work will ultimately be paid to report,support the cause on property and get paid by the company to do it. The nuclear option. Hopefully, the company stands down before it is engaged. We'll call AH! 
Lock and Load!

 

[ograc]

How is the social media campaign going ? What issues that resonate with the public have we been hitting the company on ? I haven't seen much mention on this topic ...

The traveling public couldn't give a damn. All the traveling public is concerened about is how cheap their fare is. As far as the traveling public is concerned we are all a bunch of over paid baggage smashers. If, by eliminating your job or reducing your standard of living, the company can offer them lower fares they are all for it. On the other hand... a 30 day cooling off period tends to persuade the traveling public to book another airline rather than risk the experience of a service disruption or failure. That is the leverage. That is the first cost the company will have to endure for it's anti - labor / employee posture toward contract negotiations. 

 

[freedom]

No ,of course they don't care,but has the union considered setting up strawmen for public consumption in regards to a negative media offensive against the company ?