2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Kindly review the latest update on www.iam141.org
President Rich Delaney must have went through a whole box of klenex on that one as he pissed and moaned over two pages about how United management has violated his infamous contract he signed and his boys endorsed. Of course, he blames opposition candidates for suggesting that he agreed to the implementation methods that management is employing.   Well, he did. Duh.   Of course, he hasn't mentioned any grievance that he filed and expedited either. Not surprising. 
 
Really shameful how his updates are becoming one big B session where he has one giant "Barbie Tantrum" instead of addressing issues.  Everyone should review his update and see how he is losing it because he addresses NOTHING with management and is all talk.  He had a bad week last week, politically. Things didn't start off too well for his band of misfits, and then RDU closed out the week giving the unifiedforchange team its endorsement.  
 
Also, today, the bomb dropped on the United members as the previous sUA members 'got hammered' on the new health care rates that will cost them bigtime. There goes their raise, just as the opposition said.

 

[rockit2]

I set here and read this rubbish the iam lovers, nelson haters, company creeps and the no- it- alls are writing and it make me want to puke. Not once has anyone started to organize a safetey program to let this company know we as a group are pissed and have had it. Go ahead 700 and say we can't do it, it's elligal. You guy's are a bunch of female organs. Talk about an impasse and striking, you can't even get the hubs to stand together. I remember when PHL would even think about a safety campaign and the company would snap up. CLT should be the leader now, but they must have adopted the districts policy of , we have to get along.
 
Call a strike and see how many honor it, the few that do will be loner's on the outside, because the guy on the inside will still be busting their arses. Go ahead and trash me, I don't care. I do know, even as much as Nelson is hated, he gets results and  as for the hillbilly in Clt thats says hes in bed with AH, YOU WERE INEFFECTIVE, while you were on the property. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

AA contractual provisions

1. scope 49 weekly for 17 remaining stations until day before amendable date in 2017, then 105 weekly. 140 weekly to get work back.

2. lead pay $1.50

3. $0.30 longevity at 20 years

4. top out $22.53 today, $23.00 9/14, avg. of UA, DL and US on 9/15

5. shift diff. $0.01 noon to 5 pm start, $0.02 5pm to 6am start

6. 1 and 1/2 times max OT payment

7. 5 holidays, if worked 1 and 1/2 times plus 8 hrs. holiday pay

8. No comp time

9. 17-24 years gets 4 weeks vacation, 25+ years gets 5 weeks vacation

10. 10 year recall rights

11. sick leave accrual 5 per year, paid at 100%

12. insurance 80/20 employee $70.69, employee/spouse $183.81, family $247.43

13. pension frozen, 5.5% matching 401k

I believe these numbers to be accurate.

P. Rez

Although not exhaustive, the following topped out full time employee who is maximizing all benefits looks like this by September 2014 wage rates [subject to change with a ta]:
 
Wages [longevity and base wage]
sUS:  $20.57
sAA: $23.00
_____________
sAA +$5,700                        +5,700 sAA
 
[Lead pay is an additional .50 for sAA but not figured in]
 
Sick Benefit
Total Annual Sick Benefit:
sAA $920
sUS $740                                 +$180
 
Holidays
sUS  $1,150
sAA  $  920                             -230
 
Holiday Premium Pay
sUS  $0
sAA $460                             +$460
 
Health Care
sUS $21
sAA $71                              -$50
 
Retirement:
sUS: $2,180
sAA: $2,630                      +$450
 
Total:                              +$6,510   for sAA
_______________________________
 
The above doesn't take in OT or if someone is part time or full time [part time at US pays twice insurance rates and gets half of the company contributions of IAMPF.  US AIRWAYS gets double time on days off.  Family insurance is much better at US AIRWAYS for those who need family insurance, with exception of part timers.]
 
I just did these numbers based on Prez comments and the US AIRWAYS contract.  They should be proofed as I only did this over breakfast.  But, from the looks of it, AH is insane if he truly is saying that the sUS contract is equal to the bankrupt sAA contract.  Not that anyone wants to be equal with the nasty arse sAA contract.  Both contracts are horrendous and the sUS members need to be better than a bankrupt AA contract.  Again, I just put the numbers together with one run of the calculator, there may be mistakes. Oops already found one mistake, seems I hit the wrong number so the above is based on 2077 instead of 2080 work hours. Tweak up the sAA side along all levels.
 
I can only say that AH is complaining about scope.  I know he offered $21 and didn't ask for scope, but he wants to gut scope if we want the sAA wage.  My guess is that he is just beating back any increase in scope. Scope is what this is all about, they want your jobs and we need to enhance our scope BIGTIME. But make no mistake, this is a time for gain, not givebacks of any sort. We gave back things in bankruptcy, this is a time to gain.  Including scope.

 

[T5towbar]

Josh
iam141 has screwed up things so bad at united that you are absolutely right. We have an opportunity at usair in which we should be able to get sAA wages at dos and secure more scope. IMore scope should be number 1 because this industry is finally consoladated and going to kick arse but now is the time to protect and increase jobs.
im disappointed that the unions have slashed jobs and expanded their scab members at vendors to do our work. As i said earluer, they need to organuze delta jetblue spurit first before they even think about organizing other scab outfits like eagle ir air wisconsin.

If the unions were bringing up wages and benefits of their scab outfits then ok, but they arent. Iam142 just signed another pay cut at air wisconsin to bid on work at iad.
a scandal indeed.

Tim.
I didn't know about the agreement with 142 (Air Wisconsin) at IAD. That, and all of the other BS agreements with the vendors is stalling the supposed insourcing in our contract. I know that ATW at IAD is supposed to be insourced, but why not BTW. None of the usual suspects (the IAM leaders) won't answer that question. I keep bringing it up because we know that Air Wisconsin is about to eventually lose their flying, and there must be an tacit agreement between 141 and 142 to keep the dues flowing. It pits one district against another with divergent interests. It weakens BOTH districts chasing after the dues, ie: substandard contracts all the way around which weakens us. And Eagle will be doing more of our work in line stations. But what does the district care? More duespaying members...... Why would Jet Blue organize after this dysfunction? And all DL will do is throw another pay wage raise out there to counter a card drive.

 

[T5towbar]

The Benefit Correction period starts today, and sUA will be in for a sticker shock. We all will be paying more. Don't know about the dental though. Dental is supposed to be more covered. But with people reduced to PT, people may be changing their previous coverage to a less comprehensive plan. I will probably keep what I presently have. It went up about 56.00 more per month for what I have. But it is best to wait for the roadshow by the insurance provides to get the most accurate info instead of from the union or company. They will be visiting all of the hubs (and some of the larger line stations, I think)

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim.
I didn't know about the agreement with 142 (Air Wisconsin) at IAD. That, and all of the other BS agreements with the vendors is stalling the supposed insourcing in our contract. I know that ATW at IAD is supposed to be insourced, but why not BTW. None of the usual suspects (the IAM leaders) won't answer that question. I keep bringing it up because we know that Air Wisconsin is about to eventually lose their flying, and there must be an tacit agreement between 141 and 142 to keep the dues flowing. It pits one district against another with divergent interests. It weakens BOTH districts chasing after the dues, ie: substandard contracts all the way around which weakens us. And Eagle will be doing more of our work in line stations. But what does the district care? More duespaying members...... Why would Jet Blue organize after this dysfunction? And all DL will do is throw another pay wage raise out there to counter a card drive.

I'm not saying that JetBlue would organize with the sorry arse union contracts. I'm saying we have to rebuild our union from ground zero and start by securing a solid contract at American.  Delaney was told to 'stand down' and look the other way regarding IAD since the IAM already has those dues covered with Air Wisconsin.  The TWU has been no better.  The TWU brought in the B Scale back in 1984 and did so because Crandal gave them voluntary recognition at American Eagle.  Today, I can tell you in ORD, that Eagle is a scab unit that the TWU has used to destroy mainline full time jobs.  Moving forward, we can not keep blaming ALPA and we must get definitions on what the hell a mainline jet is.  Management has 100 seaters on the horizon going to express, and I'm sure it is headed to any narrow body aircraft before the end of the decade.  Why?  To get rid of all of us.  And our dumb arse union leaders don't have any idea about how to have any foresight and have handed the members their collective arses.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Look for DL141 to take the US FLEET members on strike instead of DL142, i.e., if the IAM had any say.  The NMB, imo, will listen to the IAM since it is an Obama admin.
 
I believe the 141 ramp is more solid.  142 is a zoo.  You think there is dysfunction in 141?  Go to 142 and you have AMFA and IBT folks just waiting for the IAM 142 to go on strike.  At least in 141, we all have stuck together about working within the IAM shell.

 

[DFWFSC]

Although not exhaustive, the following topped out full time employee who is maximizing all benefits looks like this by September 2014 wage rates [subject to change with a ta]:
 
Wages [longevity and base wage]
sUS:  $20.57
sAA: $23.00
_____________
sAA +$5,700                        +5,700 sAA
 
[Lead pay is an additional .50 for sAA but not figured in]
 
Sick Benefit
Total Annual Sick Benefit:
sAA $920
sUS $740                                 +$180
 
Holidays
sUS  $1,150
sAA  $  920                             -230
 
Holiday Premium Pay
sUS  $0
sAA $460                             +$460
 
Health Care
sUS $21
sAA $71                              -$50
 
Retirement:
sUS: $2,180
sAA: $2,630                      +$450
 
Total:                              +$6,510   for sAA
_______________________________
 
The above doesn't take in OT or if someone is part time or full time [part time at US pays twice insurance rates and gets half of the company contributions of IAMPF.  US AIRWAYS gets double time on days off.  Family insurance is much better at US AIRWAYS for those who need family insurance, with exception of part timers.]
 
I just did these numbers based on Prez comments and the US AIRWAYS contract.  They should be proofed as I only did this over breakfast.  But, from the looks of it, AH is insane if he truly is saying that the sUS contract is equal to the bankrupt sAA contract.  Not that anyone wants to be equal with the nasty arse sAA contract.  Both contracts are horrendous and the sUS members need to be better than a bankrupt AA contract.  Again, I just put the numbers together with one run of the calculator, there may be mistakes. Oops already found one mistake, seems I hit the wrong number so the above is based on 2077 instead of 2080 work hours. Tweak up the sAA side along all levels.
 
I can only say that AH is complaining about scope.  I know he offered $21 and didn't ask for scope, but he wants to gut scope if we want the sAA wage.  My guess is that he is just beating back any increase in scope. Scope is what this is all about, they want your jobs and we need to enhance our scope BIGTIME. But make no mistake, this is a time for gain, not givebacks of any sort. We gave back things in bankruptcy, this is a time to gain.  Including scope.

You have AA at -$230 because we only have 5 holidays at 1.5x pay....but what is holiday premium pay +$460?

 

[700UW]

Dont know where you have been, I have been saying work by the book for months, M&R had been working by the book at Thanksgiving and Christmas in CLT.

It got so bad in CLT heavy the planes weren't making their ETRS, that the company sent a 757 to a vendor to be overhauled.

Go back through my posts, I have been stressing work safe and by the book for months.

And its illegal to work by the book nor not accept OT.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

 And its illegal to work by the book nor not accept OT.

???

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I set here and read this rubbish the iam lovers, nelson haters, company creeps and the no- it- alls are writing and it make me want to puke. Not once has anyone started to organize a safetey program to let this company know we as a group are pissed and have had it. Go ahead 700 and say we can't do it, it's elligal. You guy's are a bunch of female organs. Talk about an impasse and striking, you can't even get the hubs to stand together. I remember when PHL would even think about a safety campaign and the company would snap up. CLT should be the leader now, but they must have adopted the districts policy of , we have to get along.
 
Call a strike and see how many honor it, the few that do will be loner's on the outside, because the guy on the inside will still be busting their arses. Go ahead and trash me, I don't care. I do know, even as much as Nelson is hated, he gets results and  as for the hillbilly in Clt thats says hes in bed with AH, YOU WERE INEFFECTIVE, while you were on the property. 

I think it's high time to do a fleet-wide inspection of ground equipment. Are the tires bald? Are the brakes working on carts? Headlights working? Does the horn beep? Parking brake broken? Are the hood latches on tugs broken? Windshield wipers? Are the curtains torn on carts? I have discussed this at work and I get the same reply: "If we do that then we won't have any equipment to operate!" Boo-hoo sniffle-sniffle. I don't want to operate unsafe equipment! This stuff needs to be tagged out and we need to notify the GSE maintenance staff immediately. And there is a lot of equipment that is unsafe out there. You just have to inspect your equipment before you use it. Do a complete walk-around as has been discussed in i-learning (learning path).

 

[Tim Nelson]

You have AA at -$230 because we only have 5 holidays at 1.5x pay....but what is holiday premium pay +$460?

assumes the full benefit of actually working all 5 holidays and making 1.5 pay.  US AIRWAYS doesn't have that premium pay.  Holday pay is separate than holiday premium.
 
At any rate, your contract is a bankrupt contract.  Hopefully, we far exceed your contract since our members at sUS are working for a company that far exceeded its own projections and is making billions. 
 
sUS Fleet should be up around what Southwest has and is asking for.  Then in a joint contract, sAA and sUS can advance to the best in the industry.  SCOPE FIRST

 

[Harry Callahan]

28L 10R you hit the nail on the head. Time to start writing .
 
Harry

 

[DFWFSC]

assumes the full benefit of actually working all 5 holidays and making 1.5 pay.  US AIRWAYS doesn't have that premium pay.

Some people go all year and never get any holiday pay cause their days off or vc falls on the holiday. We use to get holiday pay on our first day back to work but not anymore.

 

[mike33]

  This would be a good time for all AGCs' to remind their counterparts in Pax Service that they are not to asst outside if their is a work action. There are a lot of above wing in the smaller stations that do know Fleet Service but are not qualified or up-to-date according to training. You know MGMT will have briefings regarding such at some point.