2014 Pilot Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

NO, you and the reps that started that stupid recall need to go. 
 
Can you imagine the pickle we'd be in right now if it had succeeded, and there was a great chance that a divided East group and a unified west group could have allowed the President and VP positions to go west?  How dumb would that have been?
 
If you're Bill Glynn, I sure wouldn't be signing my real name to assinine "letters" on the internet.
 
More letters like those and you'll start getting called Chip II.

That is a presumed position! Bill Glynn has a right to his position, funny the "WEST" voted to keep him in! Bill why?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

NO, you and the reps that started that stupid recall need to go. 
 
Can you imagine the pickle we'd be in right now if it had succeeded, and there was a great chance that a divided East group and a unified west group could have allowed the President and VP positions to go west?  How dumb would that have been?
 
If you're Bill Glynn, I sure wouldn't be signing my real name to assinine "letters" on the internet.
 
More letters like those and you'll start getting called Chip II.

Well lets memorilze this post in lets say less than 60days  when the EMAILS are public ! You and DUGSTEAD, lets say will suffer nill credibility!

 

[Claxon]

You can opt out of the "weak ars pilot group" any time you like. Don't let the door hit you in the "ars".

alpa shill, A320 has his money now.  Typical "Ive got mine" attitude.  You have no intestinal fortitude sir, you ride the coat tails of many brave men.  You have a retro check provided not by hummel, but by those that fought while you flailed your limp wrists around. 

 

[Claxon]

NO, you and the reps that started that stupid recall need to go. 
 
Can you imagine the pickle we'd be in right now if it had succeeded, and there was a great chance that a divided East group and a unified west group could have allowed the President and VP positions to go west?  How dumb would that have been?
 
If you're Bill Glynn, I sure wouldn't be signing my real name to assinine "letters" on the internet.
 
More letters like those and you'll start getting called Chip II.

alpa shill, you look like an ass for backing alpa president prater the scab lover.  You left your team during a war and tried to play both sides.  You sir are a coward.  Bill Glynn showed courage while he was trying to upgrade to different airplanes during training.  All the while he sent his opinion and research out.
 
A scab female west pilot set him up in Atlanta on a overnight and claimed he harassed her.  This female west pilot fat pig is married to a west male pilot.  The company called him into the office and wanted to fire him over what the fat female pilot claimed.  The union did not help much.  Bill was found innocent.  Did he back down and cower?  No, he kept on providing his thoughts to the mostly lazy asses who did not want to do their own research.
 
Would be proud to have flown and be associated with you Captain Glynn. 

 

[Claxon]

Piedmont 1984, did you take your chicken little outfit off yet?
 
Put your alpa pin in a safe but well used place you have.

 

[Claxon]

tony anger, the tbone christian biker, was the actor playing the East pilot.  tony anger thought, in his great christian wisdom, it was ok to teach his daughter to hate older men and east pilots. tony's daughter stars in this video with him.  Real smart tbone.
 
eric auxier, rico defendent, is the game host.  eric these videos will haunt you.  Love the videos where you accuse East pilots of a job actions.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUx5rdXM0Q&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827&index=11

 

[Claxon]

tbone and capn aux?  Love your videos, "youse" guys are so smart and clever. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeGrwGFGCo

 

[A320 Driver]

alpa shill, A320 has his money now.  Typical "Ive got mine" attitude.  You have no intestinal fortitude sir, you ride the coat tails of many brave men.  You have a retro check provided not by hummel, but by those that fought while you flailed your limp wrists around. 

Just sick of you constant complainers that won't be satisfied with anything. You're a bunch of sore losers. The pilot group spoke. Suck it up and get out of the way. We don't need all this negativity. 

 

[end_of_alpa]

Unfortunately, here is what the AOL logic looks like....SPIN AND DENIAL:


PHX Domicile Update

Details Created on Monday, 13 January 2014 18:38
Dear Phoenix Pilots,

It’s been an interesting weekend to be sure. This coming week your Phoenix base representatives will be meeting in DFW on Wednesday to have a joint meeting with both APA & USAPA. After that, the BPR will have its own meeting at the hotel we are staying in on Thursday morning. As the announcement says, it is likely this BPR meeting will be “closed.” If you care to stop by, we will be at the Arlington Hilton. As details emerge from this meeting, we will share them with you.

As you know, Judge Silver made her ruling this past Friday. You can read the order HERE, or in the Addington II section of the USAPA Legal Library. If you have not read the ruling in its entirety, we strongly urge you to do so. After we read the ruling, we needed to check our dictionary to fully understand at least one of the descriptive terms used by Judge Silver. Here’s the one we looked up:

Pyrrhic victory – Here it is used in a sentence: “USAPA has succeeded here but it is a Pyrrhic victory.” This is the definition of “pyrrhic victory” from Wikipedia: A Pyrrhic victory is a victory with such a devastating cost that it is tantamount to defeat. Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has been victorious in some way; however, the heavy toll (or cost) negates any sense of achievement or profit.

Judge Silver said the following about Pat Szmanski’s efforts in the court room as well:

Pat Szymanski, counsel for USAPA, was the driving force behind the original provision as well as Paragraph 10(h). (Transcript at 86-88). Mr. Szymanksi did not sit for a deposition nor did he testify at trial. But inappropriately during the trial, from the well of the courtroom, Mr. Szymanski tried to offer testimony about why USAPA proposed these provisions. The Court refused to allow Mr. Szymanski to offer unsworn statements about his motivations and invited him to take the stand, testify under oath, and be subject to cross-examination. He declined.2

2 Mr. Szymanski’s actions on this point have been troubling. Pursuant to Arizona….. Mr. Szymanski likely should have withdrawn from this case.

Judge Silver said this about USAPA:

The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out. USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified representative.

Please be assured that your Phoenix representatives are doing everything within their power to protect the seniority rights of the former America West Pilots as delivered in the agreed upon arbitration process that took place over 7 years ago. As Judge Silver said, “During the course of this case, USAPA employed almost every conceivable delaying tactic.” If you’ve been following our saga, you know that to be a very true statement.

John, Roger & Dave

 

[nevergiveup]

Unfortunately, here is what the AOL logic looks like....SPIN AND DENIAL:


PHX Domicile Update

Details Created on Monday, 13 January 2014 18:38
Dear Phoenix Pilots,

It’s been an interesting weekend to be sure. This coming week your Phoenix base representatives will be meeting in DFW on Wednesday to have a joint meeting with both APA & USAPA. After that, the BPR will have its own meeting at the hotel we are staying in on Thursday morning. As the announcement says, it is likely this BPR meeting will be “closed.” If you care to stop by, we will be at the Arlington Hilton. As details emerge from this meeting, we will share them with you.

As you know, Judge Silver made her ruling this past Friday. You can read the order HERE, or in the Addington II section of the USAPA Legal Library. If you have not read the ruling in its entirety, we strongly urge you to do so. After we read the ruling, we needed to check our dictionary to fully understand at least one of the descriptive terms used by Judge Silver. Here’s the one we looked up:

Pyrrhic victory – Here it is used in a sentence: “USAPA has succeeded here but it is a Pyrrhic victory.” This is the definition of “pyrrhic victory” from Wikipedia: A Pyrrhic victory is a victory with such a devastating cost that it is tantamount to defeat. Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has been victorious in some way; however, the heavy toll (or cost) negates any sense of achievement or profit.

Judge Silver said the following about Pat Szmanski’s efforts in the court room as well:

Pat Szymanski, counsel for USAPA, was the driving force behind the original provision as well as Paragraph 10(h). (Transcript at 86-88). Mr. Szymanksi did not sit for a deposition nor did he testify at trial. But inappropriately during the trial, from the well of the courtroom, Mr. Szymanski tried to offer testimony about why USAPA proposed these provisions. The Court refused to allow Mr. Szymanski to offer unsworn statements about his motivations and invited him to take the stand, testify under oath, and be subject to cross-examination. He declined.2

2 Mr. Szymanski’s actions on this point have been troubling. Pursuant to Arizona….. Mr. Szymanski likely should have withdrawn from this case.

Judge Silver said this about USAPA:

The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out. USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified representative.

Please be assured that your Phoenix representatives are doing everything within their power to protect the seniority rights of the former America West Pilots as delivered in the agreed upon arbitration process that took place over 7 years ago. As Judge Silver said, “During the course of this case, USAPA employed almost every conceivable delaying tactic.” If you’ve been following our saga, you know that to be a very true statement.

John, Roger & Dave

Another west victory. The donations will pour in. Can't we all just get along?

 

[Pi brat]

I think she had very valid reasons not to let Hummel's "statement" in.  There was no opportunity for cross-examination.  Had that loser attorney the westicles hired been able to depose him, then Hummel's "deposition" would likely have been allowed in.

That's my point. He was deposed by their lawyers and that deposition was entered in Sept.

 

[Pi brat]

absent the CLT and PHL reps you would not have back pay from Feb. 8, fact.

Maybe. Your point?

 

[nycbusdriver]

That's my point. He was deposed by their lawyers and that deposition was entered in Sept.

 
 
He was NOT deposed, and that was the problem.  It was, in the court's words, Mr. Hummel's "Declaration," not "deposition.  
 
From the Order:
 
", the extent of information Mr.
Hummel addresses in his proposed declaration means substantial cross-examination would
be needed. Therefore, consideration of the declaration would be inappropriate. The hearsay
declaration will not be considered nor will any evidence that relies on that declaration."

 

[Boeing Driver]

Unfortunately, here is what the AOL logic looks like....SPIN AND DENIAL:
PHX Domicile Update
Details Created on Monday, 13 January 2014 18:38
Dear Phoenix Pilots,
It’s been an interesting weekend to be sure. This coming week your Phoenix base representatives will be meeting in DFW on Wednesday to have a joint meeting with both APA & USAPA. After that, the BPR will have its own meeting at the hotel we are staying in on Thursday morning. As the announcement says, it is likely this BPR meeting will be “closed.” If you care to stop by, we will be at the Arlington Hilton. As details emerge from this meeting, we will share them with you.
As you know, Judge Silver made her ruling this past Friday. You can read the order HERE, or in the Addington II section of the USAPA Legal Library. If you have not read the ruling in its entirety, we strongly urge you to do so. After we read the ruling, we needed to check our dictionary to fully understand at least one of the descriptive terms used by Judge Silver. Here’s the one we looked up:
Pyrrhic victory – Here it is used in a sentence: “USAPA has succeeded here but it is a Pyrrhic victory.” This is the definition of “pyrrhic victory” from Wikipedia: A Pyrrhic victory is a victory with such a devastating cost that it is tantamount to defeat. Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has been victorious in some way; however, the heavy toll (or cost) negates any sense of achievement or profit.
Judge Silver said the following about Pat Szmanski’s efforts in the court room as well:
Pat Szymanski, counsel for USAPA, was the driving force behind the original provision as well as Paragraph 10(h). (Transcript at 86-88). Mr. Szymanksi did not sit for a deposition nor did he testify at trial. But inappropriately during the trial, from the well of the courtroom, Mr. Szymanski tried to offer testimony about why USAPA proposed these provisions. The Court refused to allow Mr. Szymanski to offer unsworn statements about his motivations and invited him to take the stand, testify under oath, and be subject to cross-examination. He declined.2
2 Mr. Szymanski’s actions on this point have been troubling. Pursuant to Arizona….. Mr. Szymanski likely should have withdrawn from this case.
Judge Silver said this about USAPA:
The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out. USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified representative.
Please be assured that your Phoenix representatives are doing everything within their power to protect the seniority rights of the former America West Pilots as delivered in the agreed upon arbitration process that took place over 7 years ago. As Judge Silver said, “During the course of this case, USAPA employed almost every conceivable delaying tactic.” If you’ve been following our saga, you know that to be a very true statement.
John, Roger & Dave

Wow...

Let there be no doubt in anyone's mind, these low life scabs are still doing everything in their power to steal the US Airways East pilots jobs. Jobs that the AWA scabs never would have been able to achieve on their own.

They will forever remain our enemy....

Boeing Driver

 

[nycbusdriver]

He claims that in the CLT recall attempt, the numbers were not released but if you remember, they were. So it makes no sense to say they are being consistent. If they truly want consistency, release the information as it always has been. Unless there is another reason, like the east voted to recall him while the west voted to keep him. Not so far fetched since until Judge Silver made her decision, we never heard a single word out of Hummel about the company inviting the west to form their own merger committee and attend meetings. Not one word.


Bill Glynn

 
Ok, Bill.  If we take your position that the number breakdown should be released based on your assertion that they were released for the CLT recall, tell us what the breakdown was for that ballot.  The breakdown you said occurred in that instance should tell us how the PHX, DCA and PHL members voted.  Please....enlighten us.
 
I am in full agreement that the breakdown in the Hummel/Bradford recall attempt should be published, but your argument to back up tha assertion is specious.