2014 Pilot Discussion

[dca319]

It looks valid.  First off, usually the biggest trigger for 19.4 Initiation of Procedure for Determination of a Single Transportation System is a single FAA Certificate of Convenience and Necessity.  I do not expect the NMB to issue anything until that happens (I'm not saying it couldn't, I'm just saying that Single Certificate is a certifiable measurement of completeness and is all I have ever seen with certifying Airline Employee unions).
 
Here is a good read as to how the NMB operates.  Also you can go to their website and read for yourself how they determine Single Transportation Systems with the various and numerous rulings abounding thereof.
 
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/representation-manual.pdf
 
You may wish to note that the NMB HAS conditionally approved or to that effect that an INTEGRATED SENIORITY LIST must be completed prior to a ruling.
 

What happens in the here and now with the APA is not the same as what happened with US Airways and AWA.  Not by a long shot.
 
Secondly, from what I am reading just from what you present....this isn't any kind of "smoking gun" considering the process outlined in the MOU is being complied with.

Predictions:

NMB sets a new record for determination with this merger.
AoL outlasts USAPA.
USAPA won't be at SLI
East, West, and APA at SLI
Nic-like integration using Nic-like east/west list with APA.
DOH/LOS no where near SLI
Short, if any, fences.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Predictions:

NMB sets a new record for determination with this merger.
AoL outlasts USAPA.
USAPA won't be at SLI
East, West, and APA at SLI
Nic-like integration using Nic-like east/west list with APA.
DOH/LOS no where near SLI
Short, if any, fences.

NMB will act as they always have with due diligence and no emotion
AOL may outlast USAPA but USAPA will have done it's job
USAPA will close SLI
APA and USAPA at SLI
Fair and Equitable
DOH/LOS are considered as fair and equitable
Fences, maybe yes and maybe no
DCA319 makes his predictions on 16 January 2014
DCA319 starts slinging epitaphs and name calling when it legally doesn't go his way
End_of_ALPA wastes his time trying to console DCA319

 

[dca319]

NMB will act as they always have with due diligence and no emotion
AOL may outlast USAPA but USAPA will have done it's job
USAPA will close SLI
APA and USAPA at SLI
Fair and Equitable
DOH/LOS are considered as fair and equitable
Fences, maybe yes and maybe no
DCA319 starts slinging epitaphs and name calling when it legally doesn't go his way.

AOL hasn't exactly failed either. DOH is dead. Not only held off a majority of pilots that formed their own union with their own rules, but indirectly kept us on LOA 93 for almost a decade. If USAPA's job was delay, then victory was achieved in that and little else. Injunctions, lost money, and irrelevance are the legacy of this union.

Excuses, defamation of arbitrators, and projection by Jamie when his prognostication fails to be met.

But at least we agree on fences.

 

[end_of_alpa]

AOL hasn't exactly failed either. DOH is dead. Not only held off a majority of pilots that formed their own union with their own rules, but indirectly kept us on LOA 93 for almost a decade. If USAPA's job was delay, then victory was achieved in that and little else. Injunctions, lost money, and irrelevance are the legacy of this union.

Excuses, defamation of arbitrators, and projection by Jamie when his prognostication fails to be met.

But at least we agree on fences.

I've been 100% correct so far.  Here is the NMB determination for ALPA/USAPA.  You may want to READ how it works.  Pay particular attention to statement of facts:
 
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2008/35n020.pdf
 
 
 

On September 26, 2007, West surrendered its Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) operating certificate. All flight operations are now conducted under the East FAA operating certificate. Also on September 26, 2007, America West Holdings Corporation, West’s parent entity, became a wholly owned subsidiary of East, and West ceased to be a separate SEC registrant.
 

Of course, DON'T LET THE FACTS GET IN YOUR WAY!
 
I might add that total operation integration for the New American won't be until April 2015.  Chief Pilot told us.

 

[dca319]

I'm sure the west guys also thought an arbitration award was final and binding. Guess surprises aren't out of the realm of possibility.

 

[snapthis]

NMB will act as they always have with due diligence and no emotion
AOL may outlast USAPA but USAPA will have done it's job
USAPA will close SLI
APA and USAPA at SLI
Fair and Equitable
DOH/LOS are considered as fair and equitable
Fences, maybe yes and maybe no
DCA319 makes his predictions on 16 January 2014
DCA319 starts slinging epitaphs and name calling when it legally doesn't go his way
End_of_ALPA wastes his time trying to console DCA319

 
Still in denial, I see.
 
Your new union will have an online application March 1st.
 
http://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/default.aspx

 

[end_of_alpa]

I'm sure the west guys also thought an arbitration award was final and binding. Guess surprises aren't out of the realm of possibility.

The kind of surprise that relates to the West pilot flapping ones arms and expecting to fly to the moon.

 

[end_of_alpa]

 
Still in denial, I see.
 
Your new union will have an online application March 1st.
 
http://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/default.aspx

????

 

[end_of_alpa]

 
Still in denial, I see.
 
Your new union will have an online application March 1st.
 
http://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/default.aspx

 

APA FILES SINGLE-CARRIER PETITION: Today, the APA leadership and general counsel filed a petition for single-carrier/single-transportation-system status with the National Mediation Board (NMB). This filing is done to determine the representative body for the pilots of the new American Airlines as we proceed with upcoming joint collective bargaining agreement negotiations and the seniority integration process.
The NMB will conduct an investigation to determine if American Airlines and US Airways should be considered a single carrier for transportation purposes and if an election for representation should be considered. Other unions may intervene in the election if they provide an adequate "showing of interest."
Your leadership anticipates that APA will become the representative organization for the combined pilot group. The NMB will likely render its decision within the next six months.
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So what is special about March 1st?  Unless you mean 2015.

 

[snapthis]

????

The APA will update the site so keep an eye on it.

 

[Ames]

It just cracks me up how much effort you eastholes are putting into trying to convince the world that you have won this debacle and the Nic is dead.  If you really believed that you certainly wouldn't try so hard.  This thing is in the company's and APA's hands and it should be obvious that they are doing everything possible (and very efficiently) to rid all of us of ucrapa, the one and only stumbling block to this merger.
 
The upcoming weeks will be very interesting and I for one look forward to the meltdown on the east.

 

[snapthis]

APA FILES SINGLE-CARRIER PETITION: Today, the APA leadership and general counsel filed a petition for single-carrier/single-transportation-system status with the National Mediation Board (NMB). This filing is done to determine the representative body for the pilots of the new American Airlines as we proceed with upcoming joint collective bargaining agreement negotiations and the seniority integration process.
The NMB will conduct an investigation to determine if American Airlines and US Airways should be considered a single carrier for transportation purposes and if an election for representation should be considered. Other unions may intervene in the election if they provide an adequate "showing of interest."
Your leadership anticipates that APA will become the representative organization for the combined pilot group. The NMB will likely render its decision within the next six months.




 
So what is special about March 1st?  Unless you mean 2015.

This is what happens when you are sitting out there in Charlotte while those of us in Texas have a better idea what's going on with developments at AA.

There is probably a reason there has not been an appeal filed by Leonidas.

Something to do with skinning a cat, maybe?

 

[Phoenix]

It just cracks me up how much effort you eastholes are putting into trying to convince the world that you have won this debacle and the Nic is dead.  If you really believed that you certainly wouldn't try so hard.  This thing is in the company's and APA's hands and it should be obvious that they are doing everything possible (and very efficiently) to rid all of us of ucrapa, the one and only stumbling block to this merger.
 
The upcoming weeks will be very interesting and I for one look forward to the meltdown on the east.

😛

 

[nevergiveup]

It just cracks me up how much effort you eastholes are putting into trying to convince the world that you have won this debacle and the Nic is dead.  If you really believed that you certainly wouldn't try so hard.  This thing is in the company's and APA's hands and it should be obvious that they are doing everything possible (and very efficiently) to rid all of us of ucrapa, the one and only stumbling block to this merger.
 
The upcoming weeks will be very interesting and I for one look forward to the meltdown on the east.

Old record!

 

[end_of_alpa]

This is what happens when you are sitting out there in Charlotte while those of us in Texas have a better idea what's going on with developments at AA.
There is probably a reason there has not been an appeal filed by Leonidas.
Something to do with skinning a cat, maybe?

I didn't realize hunting pigs in the Texas wild (which is really what I would rather be doing cause it's more fun) would count as keeping ones finger on the pulse of the union activity.

Would another reason AOL hasn't filed an appeal is because they have up to thirty days from the judges order to do so? You may wish to give it a little more time. I think they will file.

Yes, maybe.