2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

C'mon KV, you're smarter than this...unless you are intentionally trying to obfuscate?The arbitrators do not and are not representatives. Notice the "R" in "DFR"...it stand for "REPRESENT". As in the representatives on the Merger Committee and the union that is responsible for their actions.So you're still hanging your hat on the hope that USAPA, Ol' Uncle Jess and the USAPA Merger Committee will be allowed to represent west pilots in arbitration...then quickly exit after the SLI is complete, leaving no one at the now extint USAPA to shoulder responsibility for any "mis-representation" during the arbitration? If USAPA is gone, who do you think should be held responsible for USAPA misdeeds?

No West pilot who attended the trial would want Jess. People were shaking their heads and chuckling at the buckling on the stand. Cactusmike has accurate observations of what I witnessed that day in court.

cactusmike
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: A319/20/21 Capt
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I will say that Pauley was a horrible witness for USAPA. If your buddy thinks he was cool and professional then I question his observations on the rest. Pauley's answers were rambling and chaotic. He kept repeating the phrase "we are serious men doing serious work". Most in the court were laughing at him. Also, when the chair of your merger committee can't tell you where you are on the list going into a SLI with another airline then you better be nervous, no matter what side you are on.

 

[EastUS1]

"Because the appropriate "commonsensical, fact-specific"
examination of the allegations in USAPA's complaint fails to
yield a pattern of racketeering activity, USAPA has failed to
state a cognizable RICO claim"

It's called a dead end, barking up the wrong tree, in other words, groundless.

 
Ah! The supposed "logic" is now made clear! No malfeasance or misconduct ever has any grounds, unless first found suitable for prosecution as full-blown, RICO racketeering? Seriously? I'm sure such "logic" will afford great comfort to those who, say, rob a bank, but are not found prosecutable under the RICO Act...? Given that would fail as a RICO issue, any charges would be "in other words, groundless"? Thanks again for the predictable laughs.  😉

 

[EastUS1]

Oh...you probably know where you can stuff your arrogant, self-entitled and over-inflated opinion of yourself.

 
I'd suggest the same storage facility as "you'se" keep yours, save that one can't even imagine the most vast area ever made having room enough for more than what's clearly there already. 😉
 
"What? No fighter-pilot, duel to the death challenge today?" Nope, and there never was. Keep the infantile, drama queen nonsense for "heroic" west use only. All such wagerering was/is based on purely recreational, and almost certainly safe flying, which the pathetic likes of yourself just aren't up to anyway, very obviously "spartan", but keep up the "internet tough guy" thing going to "you'se" little heart's content, if it makes "you'se" feel any better about yourself. Living your "life" based on citizenship in Fantasyland's doubtless enough of a burden that I need add nothing more to your troubles, even were such done purely for spite.
 
So...I'm now guessing no proper apology will ever be forthcoming from the "knightly" west for denial of jumpseats? Not even so much as a cognenial growl from some "dire wolf"? Sigh! What a truly "classy" bunch.  No matter. Despite huge differences with snapthis/nic4us/etc; we at least agree on the sanctity of the jumpseat, and any/all of "you'se" are always welcome on any flight I'm on, even yourself, and none would ever be the least bit subjected to any childish and wholly disrespectful nonsense. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

I sometimes wonder if it's the same guy I converse with at the Water Cooler.

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Evidence even the slightest respect for good old fashioned ideals like respecting honest work and other people's years of service first, as opposed to purely opportunistic IT's ALL about MEEE!/Why ever EARN anything when I'm magically just entitled to it anyway? BS, which is your actually evidenced, versus any theoretical philosophy, and we might then have mutual ground to stand on. I'll hardly hold my breath for that to ever happen.

 

[EastUS1]

....who do you think should be held responsible for USAPA misdeeds?

 
By demonstrated west legal "logic"; no one whatsoever. Well, unless "you'se" can prove RICO charges, without which all of your nonsense is apparently groundless. 😉

 

[nevergiveup]

 
Evidence even the slightest respect for good old fashioned ideals like respecting honest work and other people's years of service first, as opposed to purely opportunistic IT's ALL about MEEE!/Why ever EARN anything when I'm magically just entitled to it anyway? BS, which is your actually evidenced, versus any theoretical philosophy, and we might then have mutual ground to stand on. I'll hardly hold my breath for that to ever happen.

Snap is our resident closet liberal, but that's okay. He needs us!

 

[EastUS1]

Snap is our resident closet liberal, but that's okay. He needs us!

 
Indeed sir. I just don't understand how anyone can claim conservative notions, but yet be so eagerly willing to usurp the worked years and service of others, and that ever even attempted purely for personal gain.

 

[electricjet98]

By demonstrated west legal "logic"; no one whatsoever. Well, unless "you'se" can prove RICO charges, without which all of your nonsense is apparently "groundless". 😉

So you're saying no one has DFR responsibilities to west pilots? Or just no one that survives after SCS?

How convenient...and hypocritical!

 

[EastUS1]

So you're saying no one has DFR responsibilities to west pilots? Or just no one that survives after SCS?

How convenient...and hypocritical!

 
Hardly. I was merely laughing at west legal "logic" concerning the clearly and entirely blameless individuals among the glorious cactus 18, that merely strove to jam the union's Safety Hotline, among other things. Apparently; not being found subject to RICO racketeering charges leaves all misconduct irrelevant and "groundless", or can "you'se" possibly have missed all that? Seriously? How truly dense can anyone even pretend to be? 😉
 
Just a kindly suggestion: Stop taking "you'se" self so seriously, or at least realize that precious few of us will feel any commensurate need to follow, much less assist your efforts. 🙂

 

[snapthis]

Snap is our resident closet liberal, but that's okay. He needs us!

Wrong.....Ted Cruz 2016.

I think NYC is out of the closet.

snapthis, on 26 Feb 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:
I guess it's safe to say you'd probably vote for Clinton if she ran.

#11 nycbusdriver Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:46 PM
Yup. Supported her in 2008, actually.
How does it feel to be on the losing side of progress?

 

[electricjet98]

Hardly. I was merely laughing at west legal "logic" concerning the clearly and entirely blameless individuals among the glorious cactus 18, that merely strove to jam the union's Safety Hotline, among other things. Apparently; not being found subject to RICO racketeering charges leaves all misconduct irrelevant and "groundless", or can "you'se" possibly have missed all that? Seriously? How truly dense can anyone even pretend to be? 😉

While I don't have the time or feel the need to constantly project the "poor me" attitude that you seem to dwell in, I think this quick reference about covers it:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Prejudice is a legal term with different meanings when used in criminal, civil or common law. In general, an action taken with prejudice indicates misconduct on the part of the party who filed the claim and forbids that party from refiling the case, while without prejudice often refers to procedural problems where the party may refile.

 

[EastUS1]

While I don't have the time or feel the need to constantly project the "poor me" attitude....

 
Aww!...Don't give up just when "you'se" finally hit your stride! You're side's historically been doing really well with all the innocent and pitiful victims BS...Honest!  Whole rivers of sympathy flow from all sides! Seems like variations on how mighty "sparta's" going to get us, and our little dogs too, or little more than constant whining is all the majority of west posters have generally had to offer, well, with rare gems like "an inexorable glacier of righteousness" sometimes inserted. Who could even believe that one from years back was ever even posted? Oh well. The whole west's weirdly passive-aggressive "heroic", to but a second later, persecuted "victims" bit's been most amusing to watch over the years, and still serves to produce predictable chuckles. Rinse and repeat as needed. Don't stop now.
 
"You'se" again have the floor to recommence threatening and of course whining at your earliest convenience. For myself; I've had enough laughs at "spartan" expense for the moment, umm...speaking of which; "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"..? Seriously? 🙂
 
Permit me to assist here:
 
1) The mighty "Shield of Leonidas is Protecting You".
2) "You'se" are likely the world's finest examples of heroic "soldiers" ever to be found in any "army" actively engaged in supposed "war" throughout all of human history.
3) The west has never lost in any courtroom.
4) The nic is just around the corner.
5) Those old "gray haired, slope shouldered" evil easties are doomed to defeat, due to the excessive brilliance of "you'se" legal team, your limitless "integrity", and the true "righteousness" of your Holy Crusade.
6) And most importantly; the APA are secretly your best-friends-forever, and if that loving relationship doesn't suffice, well, they'll certainly cringe in fear at the very thought of "spartan" litigation.
7) Waaah! Gimme my nic! Waaah!
 
Oh!...And I'd almost forgotten: Buy a few ties at over $600 apiece, and then don't forget to click to donate: http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/contribute.html
 
Seriously: How could you ever expect anyone to NOT laugh? 😉
 
Have fun and good luck.

 

[Monkee]

 
Aww!...Don't give up just when "you'se" finally hit your stride! You're side's historically been doing really well with all the innocent and pitiful victims BS...Honest!  Whole rivers of sympathy flow from all sides! Seems like variations on how mighty "sparta's" going to get us, and our little dogs too, or little more than constant whining is all the majority of west posters have generally had to offer, well, with rare gems like "an inexorable glacier of righteousness" sometimes inserted. Who could even believe that one from years back was ever even posted? Oh well. The whole west's weirdly passive-aggressive "heroic", to but a second later, persecuted "victims" bit's been most amusing to watch over the years, and still serves to produce predictable chuckles. Rinse and repeat as needed. Don't stop now.
 
"You'se" again have the floor to recommence threatening and of course whining at your earliest convenience. For myself; I've had enough laughs at "spartan" expense for the moment, umm...speaking of which; "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"..? Seriously? 🙂
 
Permit me to assist here:
 
1) The mighty "Shield of Leonidas is Protecting You".
2) "You'se" are likely the world's finest examples of heroic "soldiers" ever to be found in any "army" actively engaged in supposed "war" throughout all of human history.
3) The west has never lost in any courtroom.
4) The nic is just around the corner.
5) Those old "gray haired, slope shouldered" evil easties are doomed to defeat, due to the excessive brilliance of "you'se" legal team, your limitless "integrity", and the true "righteousness" of your Holy Crusade.
6) And most importantly; the APA are secretly your best-friends-forever, and if that loving relationship doesn't suffice, well, they'll certainly cringe in fear at the very thought of "spartan" litigation.
7) Waaah! Gimme my nic! Waaah!
 
Oh!...And I'd almost forgotten: Buy a few ties at over $600 apiece, and then don't forget to click to donate: http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/contribute.html
 
Seriously: How could you ever expect anyone to NOT laugh? 😉
 
Have fun and good luck.

The mere fact that you took time out of your day to write down and post the same old endless blather that spews from your ignorant mind really does show how pathetic your life is. 
 
Obsession is a dangerous thing, get an actual hobby, or meet a woman, you got issues, and it is sad to see them on display, repeatedly.  Put down the bottle, you are making an ass of yourself...again.

 

[EastUS1]

....or meet a woman,

 
I'm flattered, and that's very kind, but I prefer to date only within my own species, Monkee. 😉

 

[snapthis]

APA Public News


APA & USAPA: Our Common Interests
posted on March 07, 2014 15:53
Fellow Pilots,

APA and USAPA are committed to aggressively representing the interests of our respective pilot groups. It's what we do.

As we proceed with integrating the pilots of American Airlines and US Airways into one seniority list, we are certain to have differences of opinion. Did anyone expect otherwise? Seniority integrations are inherently difficult.

However, we must be careful not to permit those differences to compromise our ability to deal with other challenges challenges that we can most effectively address through cooperation. Whether upcoming joint collective bargaining agreement negotiations or issues pertaining to safety, security, training or some other vital component of our professional lives, we will achieve better results by working together.

With USAPA and APA cooperating on numerous fronts for almost two years, we've already seen ample evidence of the power of collaboration between our pilot groups. Our negotiating committees worked together effectively during the memorandum of understanding negotiations, which proved critical to bringing along a reluctant AMR management. Our respective negotiating teams have also devoted considerable time to developing a PBS memorandum of understanding. Our training committees share a commitment to pursuing a best-practices approach to pilot training at the new American Airlines. The USAPA Retirement and Insurance Committee and APA Pension Committee have made significant progress toward the establishment of a pilot-only 401(k) plan. Meanwhile, our officers and boards have met on numerous occasions as part of fostering an effective working relationship.

Most assuredly the world won't stand still for us while we deal with seniority integration. The merger of our two airlines will present us with a host of issues demanding our focus. Meanwhile, American Airlines faces ultra-aggressive legacy carrier competition, low-cost carrier encroachment in near-international markets and the rise of nonunion, state-subsidized Middle Eastern carriers with global reach. Fraternal squabbling won't further the interests of our pilot groups or enhance the competitive stature of the new American Airlines.

Recent jumpseat-related problems illustrate how we can work against our own interests if we aren't careful. Reciprocal jumpseat privileges are a valuable, mutually beneficial professional courtesy that we're able to extend to one another. Let's keep it that way and remember the old proverb "at home, me against my brother Outside, me, my brother, my cousins and our neighbors against the whole world."

As "brothers, cousins and neighbors," our two pilot groups soon to become one need to be unified. Whatever differences we have are far outweighed by our common interests.

In unity,

Captain Keith Wilson, APA President


Captain Gary Hummel, USAPA President