2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

Love the leather jacket.

Right out of "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo."

 
Feel perfectly free to dazzle us all with your own "warrior" experiences?...Oh wait! That's right, you DID once brag that you actually got into the O Club at Miramar as an escorted/adopted little pet/guest, and with that, and of course the mighty soldier "of the army of Israel" posting as well; I think I've enough laughs for now. The only thing even possibly missing here would be for traderjake/"LT Hardy" to come forward with more movie-based fantasies about "Honor"....
 
Thanks for the always dependable laughs.

 

[EastUS1]

 
One of my favorites...
 
45 David said to the Philistine, “You come against me with sword..........and he will give all of you into our hands.”

 
For last laughs for the night. Momentarily daring to cross even as mighty a "spartan solider" and apparently also one "of the armies of Israel" that you are, and yet mysteriously find yourself unable to accept so much as a recreational flying wager, supposed "pilot"; what say we try one "with sword" instead? Granted that I'm now but an enfeebled ancient, I was world ranked "with sword" in youth, so how 'bout a thousand dollars a touch/point? God being now clearly on "you'se" side and all, no way could your "righteous" widdle self lose....Right? Dare not forget your proclaimed part about how "he will give all of you into our hands.” I claim the Right of Trial by "Combat", and if your pathetic arse is even any semblance of a supposed christian "knight" you'll step up...Right? Just imagine what a fine, new video you could make from such "heroics"...heck, "you'se" could even have the likes of "cap'n aux" sporting a "dire wolf" T-shirt and cheerleader's skirt flourishing pom poms on the side, and even affording commentary in "his" amazingly-testosterone-free voice.
 
As always; thanks for all the laughs, widdle "spartan"/"army of israel"...umm..."soldier".

 

[EastUS1]

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It's funny....when America West Airlines / CACTUS was flying troops the the desert, no one had trouble with the call sign then.  ....

 
Rest assured that our "troops" were doubtless all AWA-struck by the fullest measure of "you'se" personal devotion there. One can have little doubt that in all subsequent nights of actual war that, whenever able, they lay awake dreaming of what true "heros" "you'se" really were to simply transport them there in skies made safe for you earlier by real pilots. A true pity "you'se" didn't gift them all with at least a "Liberty" tie so they could "know" they were "real" patriots as they soon went forward to actual, non "spartan", non Fantasyland deadly battle. Grow Up.

 

[EastUS1]

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It's funny....when America West Airlines / CACTUS was flying troops the the desert, no one had trouble with the call sign then.  Are you sure you aren't just crying in your milk, CAVOK?

 
P.S. Nothing about war is EVER "funny" you unbelievably clueless, utter moron. The whole point of war is to kill, and tragically, many of our most courageous, decent and fully deserving-of-life youth are brutally killed in the process. I shouldn't get a chaffing bit in my teeth for mindless little "children" of "you'se" sort, but tell us all just how many CACTUS "heroes" came home in caskets from that?...And yet you've the unmitigated arrogance to reference "the troops" as if they were somehow "you'se" inferiors and simply mere cargo?
 
Exiting now without further "laughter" and should not have revisited the site tonight, since it now leaves me without smiles, and only the proper desire to put a boot upside that idiot's infantile arse.

 

[Kenny]

Pardon the interruption, but didn't the call sign change come shortly after it was determined that "someone" was taxiing and flying with all engines and APU's running (in flight as well??)?  And then you "professional aviators" decided to mispronounce it because it hurt your little feelers...
 
It's funny....when America West Airlines / CACTUS was flying troops the the desert, no one had trouble with the call sign then.  Are you sure you aren't just crying in your milk, CAVOK?

No, the call sign changed right after USAPA's strong reaction to "fuel school," and I have it on good authority that it was the company's intent to piss us off with it. Probably a Kirby maneuver, and, well, he's no longer our problem but that's another thread. For what it's worth, I think USAPA was right on to defend Captain's Authority like that, and the "fuel school" ended promptly.
 
Flying troops? You think those young soldiers gave a rat's butt that you guys were saying "Cactus" over the radio? I didn't remember that you guys had a contract, but AWA wasn't part of CRAF according to what I've read. US Airways and American were. Are you sure you aren't just having a Hillary moment here, BoyCacty? Did you really fly troops, and were they really enamored of your cool call sign? Conversely, were you just saying/opining that "no one had trouble with the call sign then" means that the rest of the industry didn't have a strong opinion about it, but that was because they respected that you flew troops? I'm not sure what the hell you mean here, but it's pretty weak. The reality was simple, and everyone could figure it out: A-mer-i-ca West was five syllables, and so it made sense to call it something different. It wasn't some glamour call sign, just something that made sense. But it didn't make sense to confuse the hell out of pilots all over the Northern Hemisphere. Whatever....ancient history and I couldn't ever really give a crap about it. I'm glad you still get mileage out of this page in our history. it should hold you over and make for great Thanksgiving dinner conversation. Got grandkids yet? They'll love it, but make sure you don't say "Eastholes" because kids are really smart these days, and next thing they'll be sent home from school....well, you know. Then they'll grow up to have a record, and they'll only be able to fly for second-tier carriers like Spirit and....well, you see? The cycle continues.

 

[cactusboy53]

No, the call sign changed right after USAPA's strong reaction to "fuel school," and I have it on good authority that it was the company's intent to piss us off with it. Probably a Kirby maneuver, and, well, he's no longer our problem but that's another thread. For what it's worth, I think USAPA was right on to defend Captain's Authority like that, and the "fuel school" ended promptly.
 
Flying troops? You think those young soldiers gave a rat's butt that you guys were saying "Cactus" over the radio? I didn't remember that you guys had a contract, but AWA wasn't part of CRAF according to what I've read. US Airways and American were. Are you sure you aren't just having a Hillary moment here, BoyCacty? Did you really fly troops, and were they really enamored of your cool call sign? Conversely, were you just saying/opining that "no one had trouble with the call sign then" means that the rest of the industry didn't have a strong opinion about it, but that was because they respected that you flew troops? I'm not sure what the hell you mean here, but it's pretty weak. The reality was simple, and everyone could figure it out: A-mer-i-ca West was five syllables, and so it made sense to call it something different. It wasn't some glamour call sign, just something that made sense. But it didn't make sense to confuse the hell out of pilots all over the Northern Hemisphere. Whatever....ancient history and I couldn't ever really give a crap about it. I'm glad you still get mileage out of this page in our history. it should hold you over and make for great Thanksgiving dinner conversation. Got grandkids yet? They'll love it, but make sure you don't say "Eastholes" because kids are really smart these days, and next thing they'll be sent home from school....well, you know. Then they'll grow up to have a record, and they'll only be able to fly for second-tier carriers like Spirit and....well, you see? The cycle continues.

 
Blah...blah...blah.  The troops LOVED having the great folks at America West Airlines transport them to & fro.  We love our troops and we show it every time they get on board.  I presume that the ONLY way an airline could transport troops would be IF they were listed as a CRAF participant, SO since we in FACT transported troops....it MUST be assumed that we were a CRAF listed safe carrier.   Now America West Airlines certificate has been gone quite a while, BUT we did do troop transport in the '90's. 
 
The "CACTUS" call sign went right on through Europe and southern Asia.  It also went to Japan, in an ill fated attempt to dive into the far East market too early.
 
Kenny;
Unless you are a paid consultant for Mann & Associates, your "opinion" and conjecture here are just exactly that (just like mine).  The difference is when I draw out a statement, when possible I back it up with expert testimony & fact.  Like this:
 
"..Mann, who assisted the West pilots during previous merger talks and during the seniority negotiations, was stunned by the East pilots' attitude. "I've done a lot of these," he says. "And this was just the most extreme intransigence I've ever seen.""
 
This was from an article where Bob Mann was asked about his expertise in the AAA/AWA merger and that SLI.  I actually looked up "intransigence" to make sure that I completely understood the statement and accusation.  I was right:  unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.
 
The unfortunate thing here is no matter how much I argue my points, you and the USAPA-failthful will NEVER be assuaged.  You will NEVER admit to wrong-doing.  You will NEVER admit to the sheer douche-baggery that has been conceived and delivered by USAPA & its leaders.  You will NEVER ask for forgiveness, because you feel that you and the USAPA-faithful have done nothing wrong.
 
Kenny....are you willing to admit you were WRONG?  Are you willing to admit your group is in FACT in violation of a DFR lawsuit as found by the 9th Court?  Are you willing to admit that you and your group behaved in a very bad way and willing to ask for forgiveness? 

 

[cactusboy53]

 
P.S. Nothing about war is EVER "funny" you unbelievably clueless, utter moron. The whole point of war is to kill, and tragically, many of our most courageous, decent and fully deserving-of-life youth are brutally killed in the process. I shouldn't get a chaffing bit in my teeth for mindless little "children" of "you'se" sort, but tell us all just how many CACTUS "heroes" came home in caskets from that?...And yet you've the unmitigated arrogance to reference "the troops" as if they were somehow "you'se" inferiors and simply mere cargo?
 
Exiting now without further "laughter" and should not have revisited the site tonight, since it now leaves me without smiles, and only the proper desire to put a boot upside that idiot's infantile arse.

 
You see.....You missed the POINT.  The POINT that I made was that NO ONE had difficulty with our proud call sign whilst we respectfully transported our fantastic troops to & fro. 
 
We proudly do so today when they board individually.  We get them a first class seat where possible.  We thank them for their service.  We get them snacks & beverages.  We sadly ask our passengers to remain seated when a fallen soldier is brought home and transferred to ground transportation.
 
The America West family has had thousands of veterans in employment.  Those that didn't serve have lost loved ones, and thus know that loss.  We love and honor out brave men & women and we show it EVERY SINGLE DAY.
 
Go find yourself some Metamucil, Pops.

 

[luvthe9]

Little BoyCactus is quite chirpy riding his high horse this morning bragging about things we all have been doing for years..........Wye does little BoyCactus seem so upset, I wonder Wye.

 

[Claxon]

Blah...blah...blah.  The troops LOVED having the great folks at America West Airlines transport them to & fro.  We love our troops and we show it every time they get on board.  I presume that the ONLY way an airline could transport troops would be IF they were listed as a CRAF participant, SO since we in FACT transported troops....it MUST be assumed that we were a CRAF listed safe carrier.   Now America West Airlines certificate has been gone quite a while, BUT we did do troop transport in the '90's. 
 
The "CACTUS" call sign went right on through Europe and southern Asia.  It also went to Japan, in an ill fated attempt to dive into the far East market too early.
 
Kenny;
Unless you are a paid consultant for Mann & Associates, your "opinion" and conjecture here are just exactly that (just like mine).  The difference is when I draw out a statement, when possible I back it up with expert testimony & fact.  Like this:
 
"..Mann, who assisted the West pilots during previous merger talks and during the seniority negotiations, was stunned by the East pilots' attitude. "I've done a lot of these," he says. "And this was just the most extreme intransigence I've ever seen.""
 
This was from an article where Bob Mann was asked about his expertise in the AAA/AWA merger and that SLI.  I actually looked up "intransigence" to make sure that I completely understood the statement and accusation.  I was right:  unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.
 
The unfortunate thing here is no matter how much I argue my points, you and the USAPA-failthful will NEVER be assuaged.  You will NEVER admit to wrong-doing.  You will NEVER admit to the sheer douche-baggery that has been conceived and delivered by USAPA & its leaders.  You will NEVER ask for forgiveness, because you feel that you and the USAPA-faithful have done nothing wrong.
 
Kenny....are you willing to admit you were WRONG?  Are you willing to admit your group is in FACT in violation of a DFR lawsuit as found by the 9th Court?  Are you willing to admit that you and your group behaved in a very bad way and willing to ask for forgiveness?

You ask forgiveness from Wein and Ansett first.

 

[Claxon]

https://youtu.be/j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[Kenny]

 
Blah...blah...blah.  The troops LOVED having the great folks at America West Airlines transport them to & fro.  We love our troops and we show it every time they get on board.  I presume that the ONLY way an airline could transport troops would be IF they were listed as a CRAF participant, SO since we in FACT transported troops....it MUST be assumed that we were a CRAF listed safe carrier.   Now America West Airlines certificate has been gone quite a while, BUT we did do troop transport in the '90's. 
 
The "CACTUS" call sign went right on through Europe and southern Asia.  It also went to Japan, in an ill fated attempt to dive into the far East market too early.
 
Kenny;
Unless you are a paid consultant for Mann & Associates, your "opinion" and conjecture here are just exactly that (just like mine).  The difference is when I draw out a statement, when possible I back it up with expert testimony & fact.  Like this:
 
"..Mann, who assisted the West pilots during previous merger talks and during the seniority negotiations, was stunned by the East pilots' attitude. "I've done a lot of these," he says. "And this was just the most extreme intransigence I've ever seen.""
 
This was from an article where Bob Mann was asked about his expertise in the AAA/AWA merger and that SLI.  I actually looked up "intransigence" to make sure that I completely understood the statement and accusation.  I was right:  unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.
 
The unfortunate thing here is no matter how much I argue my points, you and the USAPA-failthful will NEVER be assuaged.  You will NEVER admit to wrong-doing.  You will NEVER admit to the sheer douche-baggery that has been conceived and delivered by USAPA & its leaders.  You will NEVER ask for forgiveness, because you feel that you and the USAPA-faithful have done nothing wrong.
 
Kenny....are you willing to admit you were WRONG?  Are you willing to admit your group is in FACT in violation of a DFR lawsuit as found by the 9th Court?  Are you willing to admit that you and your group behaved in a very bad way and willing to ask for forgiveness? 

CactusBoy -
 
Mighty angsty this morning, aren't we? You say the "difference" between us is that you back up everything you say? Yeah, I suppose I don't take this Internet trash talk as seriously as you and a lot of others. Heck, I've never even made a video. So, anyway, I looked up CRAF and AWA wasn't listed, but of course you're correct that your certificate has been defunct for a while, so historically here's what WiKi says:The following air carriers are members of the Civil Reserve Air Fleet:

Long-Range International[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

• ABX Air
• Air Transport International
• American Airlines
• Atlas Air
• Delta Air Lines
• FedEx Express
• Hawaiian Airlines
• Kalitta Air
• National Airlines (5M)
• Omni Air International
• Polar Air Cargo
• Southern Air
• United Airlines
• UPS Airlines
• US Airways (Now American Airlines)

Short-Range International[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

• Alaska Airlines
• American Airlines
• Delta Air Lines
• JetBlue Airways
• Lynden Air Cargo
• Miami Air International
• Northern Air Cargo
• Sun Country
• United Airlines

Domestic[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

• Allegiant Air
• Southwest Airlines

Alaskan[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]

• Lynden Air Cargo

 
So, yeah....no America West. You say you guys did them and that you must have been listed as a "safe" carrier. (Not a very high standard...hell, USAir had been crashing left and right and we were still obviously "safe" haha...right?) But in any case, there's no easily found record of you guys being in CRAF. They list a lot of defunct carriers above, and they show US Airways and show it has merged into American, but not America West. I dunno....you sure you have your facts straight on this?
 
And for the rest of your highly irrational, bizarre, where-the-hell-are-you-coming-from(?) post, I won't even comment except to say: You're a very troubled man. Never in any of our darkest moments have I seen any east pilot flailing around so desperately for attention except perhaps Mr. Munn. That's a standard you don't want to meet or exceed, my friend. You might want to consider if YOU'RE willing to ask for forgiveness.....not from me, of course (because I don't care one way or the other) but from the AOL faithful, who have followed you and EF and JS and RV and JK into the abyss.

 

[diamondcutter]

Blah...blah...blah.  The troops LOVED having the great folks at America West Airlines transport them to & fro.  We love our troops and we show it every time they get on board.  I presume that the ONLY way an airline could transport troops would be IF they were listed as a CRAF participant, SO since we in FACT transported troops....it MUST be assumed that we were a CRAF listed safe carrier.   Now America West Airlines certificate has been gone quite a while, BUT we did do troop transport in the '90's. 
 
The "CACTUS" call sign went right on through Europe and southern Asia.  It also went to Japan, in an ill fated attempt to dive into the far East market too early.
 
Kenny;
Unless you are a paid consultant for Mann & Associates, your "opinion" and conjecture here are just exactly that (just like mine).  The difference is when I draw out a statement, when possible I back it up with expert testimony & fact.  Like this:
 
"..Mann, who assisted the West pilots during previous merger talks and during the seniority negotiations, was stunned by the East pilots' attitude. "I've done a lot of these," he says. "And this was just the most extreme intransigence I've ever seen.""
 
This was from an article where Bob Mann was asked about his expertise in the AAA/AWA merger and that SLI.  I actually looked up "intransigence" to make sure that I completely understood the statement and accusation.  I was right:  unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.
 
The unfortunate thing here is no matter how much I argue my points, you and the USAPA-failthful will NEVER be assuaged.  You will NEVER admit to wrong-doing.  You will NEVER admit to the sheer douche-baggery that has been conceived and delivered by USAPA & its leaders.  You will NEVER ask for forgiveness, because you feel that you and the USAPA-faithful have done nothing wrong.
 
Kenny....are you willing to admit you were WRONG?  Are you willing to admit your group is in FACT in violation of a DFR lawsuit as found by the 9th Court?  Are you willing to admit that you and your group behaved in a very bad way and willing to ask for forgiveness?

They don't have to because they are winning!!!

 

[Claxon]

http://www.apfn.net/dcia/scandal.html
Excerpt:
I found the America West Airline drug trafficking trial fascinating. Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations, America West, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. They had purchased a DC 6 and embarked upon a career in the drug trade. Unfortunately for them their plane, which they maxed out electronically, had chronic engine problems which required them to touch down unexpectedly in several countries. This was more than embarrassing, since they had not filed flight plans.
On one such emergency stop in Aruba, on the way back from Columbia, their plane was found packed with marijuana. There is reason to believe that their intended cargo was cocaine and that after a mix-up they did not wish to fly back empty. Despite the lofty positions these men held with America West, they seemed to have no difficulty getting time off for their drug flights, and America West wanted to rehire Russell after his six months in the Federal country club at Safford.
Twenty percent of the stock of America West was owned by Ansett Airlines of Australia and 55% of Ansett was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock. We know from Jonathan Kwitny 's book, the Crimes of Patriots, that Burny Houghton, perhaps the key figure in the founding of the CIA drug money laundering bank Nugan-Hand in Australia, had coffee with Sir Peter Ables the night of his first day in Australia.

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/mrichsa.html
Excerpt:
Another rogue bank was Nugan Hand Bank, the principals of which either disappeared or were murdered in 1980; taken over by successor and alter ego, Household Bank and Household International. Former Director of Central Intelligence, William Colby, was general counsel of both Nugan Hand Bank and Household International, and was murdered in 1996, as he started to go public with certain misgivings of his past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Ansett
Excerpt:
In late 1979, mainly due to the collapse of ASL, Ansett lost control of the company to Sir Peter Abeles of TNT and Rupert Murdoch of News Corporation who became joint managing directors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Airlines
Excerpt:
In August 1987 a unit of Ansett Transport Industries Ltd.,[4] an Australian airline company and at the time 50% owned by News Corporation, purchased a 21.6 percent stake in America West. Twenty one percent of the stock of AMERICA WEST AIRLINES was owned by ANSETT AIRLINES of Australia and 55% of ANSETT AIRLINES was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock.
1988, Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations, America West, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. THE PHOENIX-BANGKOK HEROIN CONNECTION
1989, Ansett Transport LTD used their influence and investment money in America West Airlines, to try to break a pilots strike in Australia. 1989 Australian pilots' dispute. The following article is from an America West pilot that crossed the Australian pilots picket line. The Down UnderWare Chronicles America West Pilot article.

http://www.takver.com/history/pilotsdispute1989.htm
Excerpt:
The Australian Pilots Dispute in 1989
DICK CURLEWIS
John Pilger in his book Secret Country wrote about graft and corruption in Australia Today. He mentions several various powerful individuals. These same individuals Sir Peter Ables, Rupert Murdoch, Bob Hawke all were involved in the conspiracy to smash the Australian Federation of Air Pilots. Because Peter Ables and Rupert Murdoch were involved in the Airline Industry explains why they were so keen to confront the Australian Federation of Air Pilots, the union legally representing pilots flying in Australia. This was on their agenda because of the future deregulation of the industry, with its consequent greater competition. So the AFAP had to be eliminated from the industry, because of their success in gaining adequate salaries for pilots in the past. But there were other reasons.
The AFAP is one of the few unions in which the officials, all pilots, are elected by their own members. They are not paid. The pilots run their own union.
Australian pilots through their Federation were highly regarded for their work and achievements in world aviation safety, security and all technical matters.
It is no secret therefore that Australian aviation has never had a jet fatality and this is the envy of the world. But this would change if the AFAP is not allowed to operate.



http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/buddhist_temple/index.html
Excerpt:


Apologize for this Boy Cactus. Your fellow pilot Wobser who hired you, Johnny Mac, Angry Tony,Kothny.
Wobser let you in the door after he hooked hundreds of Phoenix kids on heroin.
America West - the airline of Soddom and Gomorrah.

 

[luvthe9]

CactusBoy -
 
Mighty angsty this morning, aren't we? You say the "difference" between us is that you back up everything you say? Yeah, I suppose I don't take this Internet trash talk as seriously as you and a lot of others. Heck, I've never even made a video. So, anyway, I looked up CRAF and AWA wasn't listed, but of course you're correct that your certificate has been defunct for a while, so historically here's what WiKi says:The following air carriers are members of the Civil Reserve Air Fleet:

Long-Range International[edit]

• ABX Air
• Air Transport International
• American Airlines
• Atlas Air
• Delta Air Lines
• FedEx Express
• Hawaiian Airlines
• Kalitta Air
• National Airlines (5M)
• Omni Air International
• Polar Air Cargo
• Southern Air
• United Airlines
• UPS Airlines
• US Airways (Now American Airlines)

Short-Range International[edit]

• Alaska Airlines
• American Airlines
• Delta Air Lines
• JetBlue Airways
• Lynden Air Cargo
• Miami Air International
• Northern Air Cargo
• Sun Country
• United Airlines

Domestic[edit]

• Allegiant Air
• Southwest Airlines

Alaskan[edit]

• Lynden Air Cargo

 
So, yeah....no America West. You say you guys did them and that you must have been listed as a "safe" carrier. (Not a very high standard...hell, USAir had been crashing left and right and we were still obviously "safe" haha...right?) But in any case, there's no easily found record of you guys being in CRAF. They list a lot of defunct carriers above, and they show US Airways and show it has merged into American, but not America West. I dunno....you sure you have your facts straight on this?
 
And for the rest of your highly irrational, bizarre, where-the-hell-are-you-coming-from(?) post, I won't even comment except to say: You're a very troubled man. Never in any of our darkest moments have I seen any east pilot flailing around so desperately for attention except perhaps Mr. Munn. That's a standard you don't want to meet or exceed, my friend. You might want to consider if YOU'RE willing to ask for forgiveness.....not from me, of course (because I don't care one way or the other) but from the AOL faithful, who have followed you and EF and JS and RV and JK into the abyss.

He lies a lot............Project Wingman can help him.

 

[Kenny]

http://www.apfn.net/dcia/scandal.html
Excerpt:
I found the America West Airline drug trafficking trial fascinating. Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations, America West, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. They had purchased a DC 6 and embarked upon a career in the drug trade. Unfortunately for them their plane, which they maxed out electronically, had chronic engine problems which required them to touch down unexpectedly in several countries. This was more than embarrassing, since they had not filed flight plans.
On one such emergency stop in Aruba, on the way back from Columbia, their plane was found packed with marijuana. There is reason to believe that their intended cargo was cocaine and that after a mix-up they did not wish to fly back empty. Despite the lofty positions these men held with America West, they seemed to have no difficulty getting time off for their drug flights, and America West wanted to rehire Russell after his six months in the Federal country club at Safford.
Twenty percent of the stock of America West was owned by Ansett Airlines of Australia and 55% of Ansett was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock. We know from Jonathan Kwitny 's book, the Crimes of Patriots, that Burny Houghton, perhaps the key figure in the founding of the CIA drug money laundering bank Nugan-Hand in Australia, had coffee with Sir Peter Ables the night of his first day in Australia.

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/mrichsa.html
Excerpt:
Another rogue bank was Nugan Hand Bank, the principals of which either disappeared or were murdered in 1980; taken over by successor and alter ego, Household Bank and Household International. Former Director of Central Intelligence, William Colby, was general counsel of both Nugan Hand Bank and Household International, and was murdered in 1996, as he started to go public with certain misgivings of his past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Ansett
Excerpt:
In late 1979, mainly due to the collapse of ASL, Ansett lost control of the company to Sir Peter Abeles of TNT and Rupert Murdoch of News Corporation who became joint managing directors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Airlines
Excerpt:
In August 1987 a unit of Ansett Transport Industries Ltd.,[4] an Australian airline company and at the time 50% owned by News Corporation, purchased a 21.6 percent stake in America West. Twenty one percent of the stock of AMERICA WEST AIRLINES was owned by ANSETT AIRLINES of Australia and 55% of ANSETT AIRLINES was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock.
1988, Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations, America West, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. THE PHOENIX-BANGKOK HEROIN CONNECTION
1989, Ansett Transport LTD used their influence and investment money in America West Airlines, to try to break a pilots strike in Australia. 1989 Australian pilots' dispute. The following article is from an America West pilot that crossed the Australian pilots picket line. The Down UnderWare Chronicles America West Pilot article.

http://www.takver.com/history/pilotsdispute1989.htm
Excerpt:
The Australian Pilots Dispute in 1989
DICK CURLEWIS
John Pilger in his book Secret Country wrote about graft and corruption in Australia Today. He mentions several various powerful individuals. These same individuals Sir Peter Ables, Rupert Murdoch, Bob Hawke all were involved in the conspiracy to smash the Australian Federation of Air Pilots. Because Peter Ables and Rupert Murdoch were involved in the Airline Industry explains why they were so keen to confront the Australian Federation of Air Pilots, the union legally representing pilots flying in Australia. This was on their agenda because of the future deregulation of the industry, with its consequent greater competition. So the AFAP had to be eliminated from the industry, because of their success in gaining adequate salaries for pilots in the past. But there were other reasons.
The AFAP is one of the few unions in which the officials, all pilots, are elected by their own members. They are not paid. The pilots run their own union.
Australian pilots through their Federation were highly regarded for their work and achievements in world aviation safety, security and all technical matters.
It is no secret therefore that Australian aviation has never had a jet fatality and this is the envy of the world. But this would change if the AFAP is not allowed to operate.



http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/buddhist_temple/index.html
Excerpt:


Apologize for this Boy Cactus. Your fellow pilot Wobser who hired you, Johnny Mac, Angry Tony,Kothny.
Wobser let you in the door after he hooked hundreds of Phoenix kids on heroin.
America West - the airline of Soddom and Gomorrah.

CactusBoy53 -
 
Now you see, take Claxon for instance: here is a guy who knows how to document stuff. This is a shining example of how you provide factual information and then let the public decide who has been "honorable" and who has engaged in "doushbaggery." On this topic, all you offer is your very slanted opinion, based as it is on what happened right after America West had it's brief moment of glory when it was picking up crumbs from all the trunk carriers as they restructured. From that lofty but brief point in time when you actually had two bases, you were awarded something quite controversial but quite tasty and -- like the heroin your pilots hauled years earlier -- you became addicted to the idea that you'd win the controversy and ride off into the sunset on wide body aircraft your airline was never again going to try to operate. OK, that's speculation.....but the dooshiness of hauling pot and heroin on commercial aircraft isn't. Oh, and neither is the very real SCABBING you guys did. I bet those boys would slip more than just an extra shrimp up your collective butts for that transgression!