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I just got a call about this guy taking photos of fellow pilots on the A330. What an idiot.
Hopefully whoever he is gets called in for a carpet dance by the new 190 5 yr chief.
 
Read the comments associated with those photos ? You deliberately set those two pilots up and received comments you intended to.

Exactly. The comments show that Ray was a hero to his Westie buddies for embarrassing an East crew. He knew how it would play to the peanut gallery.
 
Read the comments associated with those photos ? You deliberately set those two pilots up and received comments you intended to.
You are going to make lots of friends on the 330 acting like that.
Nobody is going to trust you.

Like I said to you and the other children, I post my trips adventures, sights, foods and the people for no other reason than to document my life's experiences. Now keep in mind there are many who still hate you in east and CLEARLY its as issue for some of you that we west pilots are in the 330 because you have to make up unfounded lies about us. Now I could very easily copy this entire thread where you started in on me BY NAME unprovoked and take this up with the CP or flight standards where you Mike G and a couple others are making the environment hostile but why waste my time and energy when clearly I live rent free in your brains.Don't like how it all came down?, too bad, the seniority issue is over and done with and either you can move on or don't, I really could care less one way or the other. I would say call the CP and tell them/him that you don't wish to fly with me or the other west captains and tell them that its because of the east west seniority issue. I am more than certain that they will accommodate you by removing you from the trips.

No one will force you to work with us and I certainly don't want you to feel obligated to have to work with me.

Have a great day children...
 
Now keep in mind there are many who still hate you in east and CLEARLY its as issue for some of you that we west pilots are in the 330 because you have to make up unfounded lies about us.

I would say call the CP and tell them/him that you don't wish to fly with me or the other west captains and tell them that its because of the east west seniority issue. I am more than certain that they will accommodate you by removing you from the trips.

Who's we? I haven't seen any posts mentioning any of the other West 330 pilots. Just you.

My friends told me they've enjoyed working with the West guys on the airplane.
 
Who's we? I haven't seen any posts mentioning any of the other West 330 pilots. Just you.

My friends told me they've enjoyed working with the West guys on the airplane.
GLAD TO HEAR IT!!! Well it seems that only one of you TOM has worked with me soooo
that pretty much explains the lack of any real traction beyond this little forum. Again I am approachable anytime you want to talk about things. Seniority is over and done so move on and lets make the best of it.
 
Yes, the PHX transplants have been good.
I saw those photos sent to me, and they were definitely taken to embarrass those pilots. The comments prove that as well.
If you came from PHX and are doing that, you are really doing some incredibly stupid moves, ones that will get YOU in hot water.
 
Yes, the PHX transplants have been good.
I saw those photos sent to me, and they were definitely taken to embarrass those pilots. The comments prove that as well.
If you came from PHX and are doing that, you are really doing some incredibly stupid moves, ones that will get YOU in hot water.

Well do your best let us know how that turns out for ya.... Im not the one on here crying about the long over seniority issue and making statements about people should be fenced off YOU ALL ARE. HAHHAHAHA YEAH IM LAUGHING AT YOU!!!!
 
Well do your best let us know how that turns out for ya.... .......... HAHHAHAHA YEAH IM LAUGHING AT YOU!!!!

Sigh...I've always found sound wisdom in the age-old notion of "Be careful what you wish for." Your actual mileage may vary.

Addendum: How exactly does such polished, pithy brilliance as "HAHHAHAHA YEAH IM LAUGHING AT YOU!!!!" at all curiously entitle you to post nonsense like "Have a great day children"....or in any conceivable way even permit you some strange fantasy of being yourself a supposed "adult"? Perhaps at least a moment's additional thought wouldn't be wasted there....Just saying.

No matter really.

Blue skies and safe flying to all.
 
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Like I said to you and the other children, I post my trips adventures, sights, foods and the people for no other reason than to document my life's experiences. Now keep in mind there are many who still hate you in east and CLEARLY its as issue for some of you that we west pilots are in the 330 because you have to make up unfounded lies about us. Now I could very easily copy this entire thread where you started in on me BY NAME unprovoked and take this up with the CP or flight standards where you Mike G and a couple others are making the environment hostile but why waste my time and energy when clearly I live rent free in your brains.Don't like how it all came down?, too bad, the seniority issue is over and done with and either you can move on or don't, I really could care less one way or the other. I would say call the CP and tell them/him that you don't wish to fly with me or the other west captains and tell them that its because of the east west seniority issue. I am more than certain that they will accommodate you by removing you from the trips.

No one will force you to work with us and I certainly don't want you to feel obligated to have to work with me.

Have a great day children...

Go ahead and take your sneaky photos obviously taken far down by your right leg. And then posted on social media. The social media posting will get you a couple of weeks well deserved on the beach. It is very obvious what the intent was. The responses say it all.
SNITCHER!
 
Go ahead and take your sneaky photos obviously taken far down by your right leg. And then posted on social media. The social media posting will get you a couple of weeks well deserved on the beach. It is very obvious what the intent was. The responses say it all.
SNITCHER!

No sir you are wrong on every account but we will soon get to an ending on this. See I am not the one who chose to come on here call me by full name and post rumors. Now I have flight attendants emailing me about this rumor. Now try REALLY HARD to guess who would get the beach time and just what the offense is?? See my man I had no intention of ruffling any feathers and as soon as the case was over I moved on but some of you could not. Then you go and start this moronic nonsense calling me by full name no less. Now what response were you expecting? I gave you 2 days to make it right and you chose not to then you have Mike come on here soil himself as well. So tell me Tom what did you really think was going to happen?
 
AAALEC 90 (CLT) update for Tuesday, August 07, 2007





The profitability road that we are on is squarely on the backs of the AAA pilots. And as the breakdown of the second quarter financials indicate, the AWA portion of the operation continues to show a loss. This makes it all the more disheartening to learn that the AWA MEC approached management and relayed that the "West pilots would be outraged if the East was granted parity." Such sentiment sinks to a level that is not representative of our profession or of unionism at its most basic form. The inescapable reality remains that we make less for doing the same job. And our bankruptcy-garnered wages continue to generate a stockpile of cash even during a period when our operation is at an all-time low."

If the leadership of the AWA MEC "would be outraged if the East was granted parity" would anybody be surprised if ALPA National placed the AWA MEC into trusteeship and appointed true union leaders to run their affairs?

The AWA MEC should be ashamed.

How was LAS Council involved?




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First Officer Lucchese:

Since you addressed your recent domicile update to the East pilots instead of the pilots you actually represent in your domicile I feel compelled to reply. I would like the opportunity to point out a few facts that you left out of your discussion and to clarify some misstatements that you have purported to be facts. I will apologize for the length of my reply now as you raised several complex issues that need to be addressed.

Let’s start with a clear misunderstanding of the parties positions in the arbitration that led to the Nicolau award. You state, “That’s one of the reasons that DOH was erased right from the beginning as a seniority integration method during arbitration.” To be clear, the position of the AAA pilots during the arbitration hearing was not DOH, it was a list based on length of service, with significant conditions and restrictions. This makes a significant difference given the large disparity between many junior AAA F/O’s DOH and length of service. You appear to be unaware of or to gloss over that significant fact.

Next you state, “I also would like to mention that DAL/NWA seniority integration is quite similar to our arbitration.” While it is true that both arbitrators used a relative position slotting methodology as a basis for the merged list, that is where the similarities end. There are virtually not effective conditions and restrictions in the Nicolau award while the DAL/NWA award places significant conditions and restrictions on the merged list for a period of 5 years. The Nicolau award makes not conditions and restrictions to account for differences in equipment pay, bases, or length of service in the event of furlough. These are very significant issues dealt with in the conditions and restrictions of the DAL/NWA award.

You asset that the minor changes in relative position between merged and unmerged lists are insignificant. Let’s use some numbers to test that theory. Here are the assumptions: Pilot “A” is in the 90th percentile of a 2000 pilot list at seniority #1800, pilot “B” is in the 90th percentile of a 3000 pilot list making him seniority #2700. Pilot “A” moves up an insignificant 2 percentile of the merged list and Pilot “B” moves down 2 percentile, placing them at 88% and 92% on the merged list with seniority numbers of 4400 and 4600 respectively. In the event of a furlough at their separate airlines, 200 furloughs would have gotten to “A” and 300 would have gotten to “B”. Now at the merged carrier, furlough those same 500 pilots and “A” keeps working while “B” is furloughed even though “B’s” list brought 60% of the jobs to the merged list which should have offered him more protection.

In the discussion about your chart you state, “very junior AAA pilots lose 6% seniority. For pilots in the middle of both lists, the gain/loss is almost irrelevant. The difference in seniority for the junior AAA pilots is certainly due to the fact that AAA had 1800 pilots on furlough and AWA didn’t have any.” Maybe I misread your chart, I see AAA pilot #2500, the most junior that you list, losing 9 percentage points in your example. You go on to state that this pilot is “very junior”; we must have a different definition of, “very junior.” My seniority number is close enough to 2500 to not require interpolation. My DOH is 2/1/88, my current LOS is 21.5 years, my current bid position is in the 33rd percentile of F/Os in the base I bid. Which one of those numbers make me “very junior” and makes it acceptable for me to lose over 400 positions from where I would be if I maintained my relative position?

Since you chose to use a snapshot of how the relative positions don’t shift appreciably, in your opinion, if we simply implement the award now, I would like to take another snapshot of the award to demonstrate the fatal flaw of your thesis in the eyes of most East First Officers. Since I hate to use others as an example let’s stick to only your numbers and mine for the example. With a hire date of 10/27/03 you sit at #4136 or the 85th percentile of the combined list. With a seniority date of 2/1/88 I sit at #4460, the 92nd percentile and just to be clear, I have zero time on furlough and multiple years as a Captain at this airline. The snapshot I would take to demonstrate to you what you may not understand, is one taken on 6/1/2027. On that date, I would be #48 of the AAA only list, or in the 1st percentile. On the merged list I sit at #754, just outside the 15th percentile. This is hardly an inconsequential change give the fact that it completely changes what job and therefore what earning potential will be available to me. On that same date you will be in the 13th percentile. Interesting to note is that on that date only 5 of the top 100 and 15 of the first 400 pilots on the combined list will be from the former AAA list. Nicolau chose to place 517 AAA pilots at the top of the list, on 6/1/2027 only 27 of the first 517 on the combined list will be from the AAA list. That means that on 6/1/2027 only 27 former AAA pilots will be able to hold the premium jobs brought to the merger by the AAA pilots.

You say, “I heard the “our attrition argument” many times, but if you really want to use statistics, probabilities and history, you will find that US Airways' reduction in size (furlough) was much greater than attrition due to retirement.” The above paragraph demonstrates that although you may have heard the argument many times you clearly either don’t understand the issue or want to conveniently ignore it. The “attrition argument,” as you put it has nothing to do with the past and everything to do with the future. The AAA pilots brought 2/3 of the jobs to the merger, 75% of the future attrition and 100% of the premium paying jobs, yet in the middle of 2027 there are only 5 of the top 100 pilots on the merged list from the former AAA list. That is, “our attrition argument” at its very core.

All the agreements you sight were negotiated and or ratified by the AAA pilots for one reason; so that our company would survive. We did it so we could live to fight another day, so that in the future we could reap the rewards of our sacrifice. None of us did it so that we could take the job of an AWA pilot. Now most of us have made that sacrifice in vain. Mr. Nicolau transferred the vast majority of the benefits of those sacrifices to the AWA pilots. Unlike many of my peers, I have made peace with that fact. I clearly understood the risk our side took in pressing our position. The AWA pilots won, but don’t think for one minute that we will ever work in a “friendly and rewarding environment.” The failure of both sides to compromise when they had the opportunity has forever poisoned that well. The acrimony created by our mutual intransigence will be taken advantage of by management in every contract negotiation and will be felt in every cockpit as long as there is one single former AAA pilot working at this company.
 
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