2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Well, Loser.  Rather than go back-and-forth with this, I decided to take up the "challenge" in your last line.
 
I emailed Robert Isom today and asked the basic question that started this issue.  Here is the text of my email:
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Mr. Isom:





 


I am an Airbus 330 captain based in PHL.  I have two questions:


 


1. How many A330-200 aircraft does it take to fly the PHL-TLV route on an ongoing basis?


 

2. Are you accessible to USAirways crew members by phone, or even in person, for an occasional question or concern.  I have been told by a colleague something I really do not believe, and that is that you would not have time for us, the line crew members.[/size]
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He, after verifying with Dave Scott (Manager of Strategic Planning) what he thought was the case, Mr. Isom verified that it takes TWO airplanes to run the TLV route.  He basically explained to me exactly what I tried in vain to explain to you regarding the schedule, when the flights leave, and how much time they remain on the ground.  He mentioned the use of those airplanes where they would otherwise be on the ground in PHL, and how the use of two $220 million aircraft is a large investment for the company for the TLV route.
 
As to the challenge, Mr. Isom answered as I expected:  He is "happy to meet or talk if schedules permit."  (He never said: Talk to me at the Crew news.)
 
I will not post Mr. Isom's verbatim response since I did not get his permission to do so.  
 
Seems you need to contact Mr. Isom and inform him of just how wrong he is.  Tell him how he obviously doesn't see the big picture that you do, and how sad it is that he can only see what's in front of him.  Also, let him know his time is far too valuable to waste on mere A330 pilots.

Well I'm glad that is now settled.

 

[Phoenix]

Have you ever admitted you were wrong about the West getting a Merger Committee? 

 
 
I have said from the beginning that I personally think the West Pilots should be able to have their own representation for their list in the new merger.  Personally I think it would be fair.  They don't have that, and I don't see how it is possible that they ever will.  The NMB has no means to provide the West Pilots a free and fair election of their representatives.    And certainly the AOL machine would never allow a free and fair election that would put their own power or strategy at risk.  
 
All West Pilots will be "Nic or Nothing" on account of a de facto group of self appointed "representatives" from a for profit limited liability company, with $675 Liberty Ties.  
 
It will be what it will be, but not until it is.    

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
I have said from the beginning that I personally think the West Pilots should be able to have their own representation for their list in the new merger.  Personally I think it would be fair.  They don't have that, and I don't see how it is possible that they ever will.  The NMB has no means to provide the West Pilots a free and fair election of their representatives.    And certainly the AOL machine would never allow a free and fair election that would put their own power or strategy at risk.  
 
All West Pilots will be "Nic or Nothing" on account of a de facto group of self appointed "representatives" from a for profit limited liability company, with $675 Liberty Ties.  
 
It will be what it will be, but not until it is.    

 
Yep.  AOL has the PHX pilots by the short hairs, and there just about nothing they can do about it.

 

[luvthe9]

Yep.  AOL has the PHX pilots by the short hairs, and there just about nothing they can do about it.

West pilots should shut this little group of AFO's down, they have damaged and held back their pilot group for years now, and once again are about to get their ars handed back to them, they just don't seem to learn.

 

[FL430]

Well, Loser.  Rather than go back-and-forth with this, I decided to take up the "challenge" in your last line.
 
I emailed Robert Isom today and asked the basic question that started this issue.  Here is the text of my email:
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Mr. Isom:

Ok so you didn't tell him the context behind this issue either. Back in 2008 when the studies were being done for this ( consulting and analytical), that sure physically you can do the route with two aircraft. But the problem is if there is a problem with one aircraft you loose operational integrity which you have no other aircraft capable to achieve targeted completion factors. Both of which are required to gain both the pharmaceutical contracts as well as maintain DOT on time so as not to skew airline stats. Again if you only have two aircraft and damage is done to it ( like the one in CLT ), your operation is severely compromised. And that makes it a bad business decision to place the corporation in such a predicament. Now, present day situation the company has access to 15 airframes and the resulting redundantcy is now built into the system and so is no longer an issue. So sure, the company can operate the route with two aircraft, but they have to have access to another airframe to maintain consistent reliability and on time targets.

And that was my point from the beginning.

 

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

My guess FL430 is an active AOL member that got left EAST with his WEST DOH on RSV on the 330 and well, speaks for itself, 1 of about 10 ! MM

 

[end_of_alpa]

Well, Loser.  Rather than go back-and-forth with this, I decided to take up the "challenge" in your last line.
 
I emailed Robert Isom today and asked the basic question that started this issue.  Here is the text of my email:
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Mr. Isom:

Ok so you didn't tell him the context behind this issue either. Back in 2008 when the studies were being done for this ( consulting and analytical), that sure physically you can do the route with two aircraft. But the problem is if there is a problem with one aircraft you loose operational integrity which you have no other aircraft capable to achieve targeted completion factors. Both of which are required to gain both the pharmaceutical contracts as well as maintain DOT on time so as not to skew airline stats. Again if you only have two aircraft and damage is done to it ( like the one in CLT ), your operation is severely compromised. And that makes it a bad business decision to place the corporation in such a predicament. Now, present day situation the company has access to 15 airframes and the resulting redundantcy is now built into the system and so is no longer an issue. So sure, the company can operate the route with two aircraft, but they have to have access to another airframe to maintain consistent reliability and on time targets.

And that was my point from the beginning.

You got your a$$ kicked. Move on.

 

[luvthe9]

West pilots should shut this little group of AFO's down, they have damaged and held back their pilot group for years now, and once again are about to get their ars handed back to them, they just don't seem to learn.

Wake up west pilots, dump the children, Ferguson and Knoontz has sold you out, you have been lied to all these years. You bring nothing to this merge, nothing at all. Most intelligent west pilots know that. BDump AOL now, you should be suing them for wrecking your careers.

 

[Metroyet]

Wake up west pilots, dump the children, Ferguson and Knoontz has sold you out, you have been lied to all these years. You bring nothing to this merge, nothing at all. Most intelligent west pilots know that. BDump AOL now, you should be suing them for wrecking your careers.

You've resorted to quoting yourself like the Drunk Eastus? You're getting delusional.
 
You lost Courtney. USCABA is dead and the dates of reckoning have been established. You should worry more about how you're going to pay back the millions of dollars you helped to misappropriate not to mention the cost of the Litigation.  You can count on that 100%. Despite every concievable effort, West unity has been your undoing and clearly the frustration of your failures is getting to you. .
 
Calm down. Maybe call Lee $e$ham. He did steal 2 million dollars of dues money on your watch...he does owe you one!

 

[EastUS1]

Wake up west pilots, dump the children, Ferguson and Knoontz.....

 
Too late, and they did it to themselves anyway, so who should at all care at this point?

 

[EastUS1]

.......You should worry more about how you're going to pay back the millions of dollars you helped to misappropriate not to mention the cost of the Litigation.  You can count on that 100%. Despite every concievable effort, West unity has been your undoing ...

 
Whatever happened to all those long-ago west postings claiming the same for literally "billions in damages"?  Sigh....Still enjoying all the dizzying rides in Fantasyland/PHX, I take it? Oh well; enjoy, have fun and good luck. One must wonder what you poor kids will do with yourselves when the park finally closes though...

 

[luvthe9]

You've resorted to quoting yourself like the Drunk Eastus? You're getting delusional.
 
You lost Courtney. USCABA is dead and the dates of reckoning have been established. You should worry more about how you're going to pay back the millions of dollars you helped to misappropriate not to mention the cost of the Litigation.  You can count on that 100%. Despite every concievable effort, West unity has been your undoing and clearly the frustration of your failures is getting to you. .
 
Calm down. Maybe call Lee $e$ham. He did steal 2 million dollars of dues money on your watch...he does owe you one!

Sorry Kev, you lost this one, sure hope you enjoy being locked in PHX a with no growth. REMEMBER YOU DID IT TO YOURSELVES, fool!





"One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\

Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horners current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union."





"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."




"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"





"Our MECs merger (and now AWAPPAs) attorney said the NIC was in actuality the proposed seniority list ......

 

[traderjake]

still begging the West to quit fighting your attempted theft........unbelievable

 

[luvthe9]

still begging the West to quit fighting your attempted theft........unbelievable

What's unbelievable is your still afraid to upgrade. Hey maybe you'll be lifting gear for Ferguson and Koontz.

 

[EastUS1]

 You can count on that 100%. .....

 
The only thing here that's ever proved true of is the childish foolishness of "you'se" group. Have fun with your fantasies.