2015 Pilot Discussion.

[AWE Dog]

Your "generosity" was noticed. Welcome to the table.
 
Should the APA expect a similar display of generosity?

Yea, the APA has been known to be generous in previous mergers. The APA and USAPA have way more in common than anything west. Seniority at awa was nothing more than being a big fish in a little pond, and if you haven't noticed is now a puddle.

 

[nevergiveup]

Do tell us all how "generous " is your plan for the AA furloughed guys.

The west's goal, take advantage of anyone down on their luck whenever possible!

 

[EastCheats]

Yea, the APA has been known to be generous in previous mergers. The APA and USAPA have way more in common than anything west. Seniority at awa was nothing more than being a big fish in a little pond, and if you haven't noticed is now a puddle.

The APA and USAPA have way more in common? I doubt the APA would agree they have a lot in common with that litte ol NC LLC.

 

[luvthe9]

The DOH quest cost us five additional years of LOA 93.
 
Very generous of you to help Doug Parker.

What a scumbag, that DOH fight has got you doing your little 8 day month as you like to brag, (since you are afraid to upgrade) nothing like biting the had that feeds you. You're lower than a scab.

 

[EastCheats]

Do tell us all how "generous " is your plan for the AA furloughed guys.

How would you know our plans, Sherlock? Do you even have a plan other than your obsession with the West? 😉

 

[CactusPilot1]

Yea, the APA has been known to be generous in previous mergers. The APA and USAPA have way more in common than anything west. Seniority at awa was nothing more than being a big fish in a little pond, and if you haven't noticed is now a puddle.

 
USAPA would be the pond scum.
 

 

[EastCheats]

What a scumbag, that DOH fight has got you doing your little 8 day month as you like to brag, (since you are afraid to upgrade) nothing like biting the had that feeds you. You're lower than a scab.

Biting the HAD that feeds you.....hmm

You're....At least you put the apostrophe in the right place.

 

[traderjake]

Biting stuff is the only thing the village idiot  has any real expertise in.

 

[luvthe9]

Biting stuff is the only thing the village idiot  has any real expertise in.

Must make you angry watching all the advancements to the left seat knowing your're afraid to except that responsibility.


Talk about a village idiot..........check your mirror.

 

[traderjake]

Who wouldn't want a secondary line of red eyes when they can work 8 island trips a month?
 
Have another piece of chicken.

 

[Phoenix]

How many contracts were ratified under USAPA's wrath?  Take that number and multiply by 0.
 
Impressive legacy.

So you don't even slightly disagree that you are limited to the actual (rather than assumed) benefits of the contracts you have ratified.

In fact some of you even boast about the benefits of the ratified contracts (like an 8 day island month) but lack the integrity to abide by other portions of the contracts that are contrary to your fantasies.... Proof that even imbeciles can dream up ways to be "integrity oxymorons." 😀

 

[traderjake]

Proof that thieves will find a way to justify their actions...... 🙄

 

[Claxon]

america west airlines December 31, 2004 financial report to DOT.
 
http://www.airlineinfo.com/form41/americawest1204.pdf

 

[Claxon]

 
MEC NewsDirect
 
January 31, 2008
 
A AAA/AWA Joint Chairman's message has been emailed to pilots and posted
under What's New. The text of the letter is below:
AAA-AWA MEC Joint Chairman’s Message
 
January 31, 2008
 
Fellow America West and US Airways pilots,
 
Today, the AAA and AWA Steering Committees and their respective merger and
negotiating teams will begin talks about the issues separating our pilot groups in
order to produce a comprehensive contract counterproposal for both MECs to
review. As we have said in the past, any comprehensive proposal must adequately address seniority implementation issues and all open JNC issues for both pilot
groups.
 
The Steering Committees are meeting at a neutral site, and to give this process
the best chance for success, both sides have agreed to a communications blackout
during this time. As a result of this policy, our pilots should understand that any
hearsay information floating around is unsubstantiated, and should be treated as
rumor only.
 
If the AAA and AWA Steering Committees are able to successfully produce a
comprehensive contract counterproposal, it will first be reviewed by both MECs. If
both MECs approve the final product, JNC negotiations would resume with
management as we counter the infamous “Kirby proposal” that we received on
May 8, 2007.
 
If a TA is achieved through joint negotiations and is subsequently approved by
both MECs it will be sent to each pilot group for ratification. The rank and file
members of this union will be the ultimate arbiters of any agreement.
 
There is much at stake here for both pilot groups. None of your union volunteers
takes the challenges ahead of us lightly. Your MEC leadership and the Steering
Committees all appreciate your patience while we work through these very
difficult issues.
 
Fraternally,
 
Captain Jack Stephan
Chairman, AAA MEC
 
Captain John McIlvenna
Chairman, AWA MEC

west will say in future mediation that the Kirby was close to being signed and a done deal.  The truth, west was against it, as was the East ALPA MEC.

 

[Claxon]

 
"al hemenway's November 2005 letter, tarnishes the US Airways Corporation and mitch vasalino's projected halo over their heads.  The idea of a done deal joint CBA was only a joint cooperation in smoke and mirrors."
 
Clax

 

 
US AIRWAYS E. Allen Hemenway Vice President Labor Relations
 
November 15, 2005
 
Captain Doug Mowery MEC Negotiating Committee Chairman - US Airways Air Line Pilots Association One Thorn Run Center Coraopolis, PA 15108 Captain Mark Burdick MEC Negotiating Committee Chairman - America West Air Line Pilots Association Two Gateway 432 N. 44th Street, Suite 340 Phoenix, AZ 85008
 
Dear Captains Mowery and Burdick: Our Transition Agreement effective September 23, 2005 provides for a process by which the parties will negotiate a single collective bargaining agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways. As we prepare to commence those negotiations, I want to outline the Company's understanding of how we will proceed. Jerry Glass will be the Company's lead negotiator throughout this process. It is our desire to reach a fair and equitable single agreement with the Association as expeditiously as possible. To that end, Jerry has had preliminary discussions with the two of you and other members of the Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) to schedule meeting dates and discuss the Association's view of how to reach a single agreement in a timely manner. In those discussions, the Association's suggestion was to use the America West collective bargaining agreement as a template, dividing the negotiations and sections into three phases as follows:
Phase I - Administrative Section 5 Compensation for expenses, hotels and transportation 6 Moving expenses 7 Vacations 8 Deadheading 9 Miscellaneous Flying 10 Transfer of non-flying or supervisory duty 13 Leaves of Absence 14 Sick L eave 15 Physical Examinations 16 Workers' Compensation Benefit 17 Missing Internment, prisoner or hostage of war benefits 18 Witnesses and Representatives � (Witnesses and Representative provisions From AWA CBA will be incorporated into this and other grievance related Sections) 19 Investigation and Discipline 20 Grievances 21 System Board of Adjustment 22 Seniority 23 Reduction in Force, Furlough and Recall 26 General 29 Union Security and check off Phase II- Operational Section 4 Minimum Pay Guarantees 11 Training 12 Hours of Service 18 International from US CBA 24 Filling of Vacancies 25 Scheduling Phase III - Economic/Other Section 1 Recognition, Scope and Management Rights 2 Definitions 3 Compensation 27 Health and Welfare Benefits 28 Retirement 30 Duration
In regard to Letters of Agreement, there was discussion about the possibility of appointing a subcommittee to review all applicable letters from both contracts, deleting those that no longer apply and incorporating provisions from as many of the applicable letters as possible into relevant sections of the contract. We think it is an excellent suggestion and would like to pursue a process to achieve this objective. In the discussions to date with members of the JNC, our collective approach is to focus on completing each phase before going on to the next. However, as discussed in a conference call on October 18 , there may be sections or portions of sections in Phases I and II that could have some economic impact to the Company above the current cost levels. Therefore, if we get to a point during negotiations where the Association makes proposals that seek to modify our current pilot cost structure, then previously closed sections may be re-opened to engage in trading of values to address overall pilot labor costs. To date, we have confirmed the following meeting dates and locations. Dates: Nov 15,16,17 Nov 29, 30, Dec 1 Dec 6,7,8,9 Jan 10, 11, 12 Jan 24, 25, 26 Feb 7, 8, We can determine collectively what time to begin on the first day of each negotiating session. Finally, as previously discussed with members of the JNC, the Company's view is that, absent an alternative agreement negotiated by the parties, under the successorship language of the respective contracts, the US Airways collective bargaining agreement would be the surviving agreement. As stated in this letter, our desire is to reach a consensual single agreement as expeditiously as possible. However, if we are unable to reach an agreement in a timely manner, or are unable to reach an agreement with the same cost structure as the US Airways agreement the Company reserves its rights to apply the US Airways collective bargaining a greement to the merged operation. We look forward to working together to reach an agreement soon.
 
Sincerely, E. Allen Hemenway
Vice President, Labor Relations