2015 Pilot Discussion.

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You should have told the guys in the last PHX crew news. Evidently they thought Kirby was supposed to have been decertified.

 
Having Kirby decertified should have been given serious consideration.
 

 

[im back..!!]

Looks like the Natives at AA are starting to wake up to the effects/expectations of the said "NIC" list. Over at APA's C&R they don't seem one bit accepting of where the west thinks their seniority should be on a combined list.

After reading some of Native AA's post, I must encourage them to go to Jetnet and view the PHX town hall from May 8th.

It will allow you to put a face with the name so to speak as these same folks were their admonitioning Mr Kirby for not implementing the list earlier that the IT dept can get it done.

Not only do they expect/assume they will be senior enough on the combined list of all three list's currently in use, they expect those new seats to be accessed immediately. They even go as far as to threaten "Leet-e-gashun", should Mr Kirby not pay protect them to their rightful positions in those other bases.

BTW: for the uninformed Native AA, the west was awarded slotting after the East top 500 (the 500 was a carve out for Wide bodies of which the west had none). The East argued that they were due their own attrition, it fell upon deaf ears. So, every pilot in PHX prior to 2005 (that is all but the bottom 100 or so) are senior on the NIC list to East NB junior Captain.

Make some popcorn first, it makes for some interesting viewing... LMFAO!!

 

[Claxon]

That is hilarious. USAPA is the poster child for delay. I am reminded (by USAPA specifically) of the fable of The Scorpion (USAPA - if you're confused) & the Frog (The Spartans).
Thanks, but we'll swim to the river's edge without the weight & deceit of USAPA.
See you boys at the table.

Sure thing. You will show with a never implemented list and one base and narrow bodies.
The Nicolau is as relevant as the kitchen plans Scott Kirby had for the place in Tempe.




“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

All those having retired with an utter and COMPLETE loss of the DOH chase. The KIRBY proposal would have allowed the retiring A330 Captain with another $750K! Epic USAPA failure!
See you at the table MUT.
No telling what those seasoned arbitrators will decide. You might read Arbitrator Javitz' exchange with East MC Chair Pauley to get a taste.

Well show me your math because apparently you were absent that day, yeah and handing those positions to pilots hired 11 years after ones that actually brought that flying to a merger I would say a windfall to the WEST, My guess is a good read on the arbs that will actually hear this case under rules that actually apply would be better reading! A good read would be ALPA,s position in the BREEGER, ! Funny no you will not see me or 600+ good Union pilots at the table, just you and your band of backhanded, shady deal making at work, which we all know is in the works! And about that 750k, man I could have sure bought a lot of ties! MM

 

[EastCheats]

 
 
 
This time binding means binding, CB53. Remember, they are serious men doing serious business.
 

 
Usapian. Charlie Brown is on the C&R's posting links to videos that mock them. Seriously and I am being serious.
 
 Good.....Greif!
 

 

 

[EastCheats]

Looks like the Natives at AA are starting to wake up to the effects/expectations of the said "NIC" list. Over at APA's C&R they don't seem one bit accepting of where the west thinks their seniority should be on a combined list.
After reading some of Native AA's post, I must encourage them to go to Jetnet and view the PHX town hall from May 8th.
It will allow you to put a face with the name so to speak as these same folks were their admonitioning Mr Kirby for not implementing the list earlier that the IT dept can get it done.
Not only do they expect/assume they will be senior enough on the combined list of all three list's currently in use, they expect those new seats to be accessed immediately. They even go as far as to threaten "Leet-e-gashun", should Mr Kirby not pay protect them to their rightful positions in those other bases.
BTW: for the uninformed Native AA, the west was awarded slotting after the East top 500 (the 500 was a carve out for Wide bodies of which the west had none). The East argued that they were due their own attrition, it fell upon deaf ears. So, every pilot in PHX prior to 2005 (that is all but the bottom 100 or so) are senior on the NIC list to East NB junior Captain.
Make some popcorn first, it makes for some interesting viewing... LMFAO!!

Let's see what some of the Natives had to say...

I don't give a sh$t how your 2 groups arrange your slots. Nic or not. You got what US brought we got what AA brought. 2 Airlines.

Nate,
You can be a 330 Captain for all I care. Your list then our list.


We are not merging 3 airlines. USAir needs 1 list to be combined with ours, whatever that may be. Then we can combine the list.

Responding to Usapian King
Flamebait? I don't think so. AWA went away 10 years ago. You all were 1 airline right? You can't have it both ways. East and West are fighting over the same Captain slots. It's not 3 Airlines. Dream on

LMFAO

This is getting good.

 

[nycbusdriver]

America West did not have to come up with the cash to make AA's payroll like what happened with the acquisition of US Airways by America West Holdings.

 
And if you ask Parker and Kirby, America's Worst didn't have a pot to piss in, either, and could not have come up with any cash for USAirways payroll or anything else.  They've said as much many times, but you nitwits won't wash the s**t out of your ears.  Afraid what little brains you have will fall out?

 

[Phoenix]

Let's see what some of the Natives had to say...

I don't give a sh$t how your 2 groups arrange your slots. Nic or not. You got what US brought we got what AA brought. 2 Airlines.

Nate,
You can be a 330 Captain for all I care. Your list then our list.


We are not merging 3 airlines. USAir needs 1 list to be combined with ours, whatever that may be. Then we can combine the list.

Responding to Usapian King
Flamebait? I don't think so. AWA went away 10 years ago. You all were 1 airline right? You can't have it both ways. East and West are fighting over the same Captain slots. It's not 3 Airlines. Dream on

LMFAO

This is getting good.

 
Anyone who gets overly passionate about how things should be done by arbitrators will be even more apoplectic when it is over.  
 
Its an arbitration.  The most absurd result is as likely as not... and a conflicted, contradictory, irrational ruling is as likely as not.  
 
Its an arbitration.  Let go and ride.  The final destination will be what it will be, at the end, and not before.  
 
Get a bag of popcorn and an umbrella drink.  

 

[EastCheats]

And if you ask Parker and Kirby, America's Worst didn't have a pot to piss in, either, and could not have come up with any cash for USAirways payroll or anything else.  They've said as much many times, but you nitwits won't wash the s**t out of your ears.  Afraid what little brains you have will fall out?

They are politicians. They tell you what you want to hear, so enjoy the company Kool-Aide. Drink up.

I'll bet you believe Hillary walks on water and is the most honest and trustworthy person for the job as well. 😉

 

[Phoenix]

They are politicians. They tell you what you want to hear, so enjoy the company Kool-Aide. Drink up.

I'll bet you believe Hillary walks on water and is the most honest and trustworthy person for the job as well. 😉

 
At the last PHX crew news, how come Kirby didn't tell you Westies everything you wanted to hear ? 

 

[Claxon]

Let's see what some of the Natives had to say...I don't give a sh$t how your 2 groups arrange your slots. Nic or not. You got what US brought we got what AA brought. 2 Airlines.
Nate,
You can be a 330 Captain for all I care. Your list then our list.
We are not merging 3 airlines. USAir needs 1 list to be combined with ours, whatever that may be. Then we can combine the list.
Responding to Usapian King
Flamebait? I don't think so. AWA went away 10 years ago. You all were 1 airline right? You can't have it both ways. East and West are fighting over the same Captain slots. It's not 3 Airlines. Dream on
LMFAO
This is getting good.

Here is what the PRESIDENT of all the AAL pilots says.
west pilots enjoy fabricating scenarios to suit their failed fantasy. Now they grasp on to web board posts to support their bridge to nowhere.


In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby

 

[EastCheats]

At the last PHX crew news, how come Parker didn't tell you Westies everything you wanted to hear ?

Because he was not there.
 
 

 

[Claxon]

Because he was not there.

Here is what he said a while ago....


November 11, 2008 (Q&A in Phoenix with Doug Parker)

Pilot: . . . . My question though is I was at the hearing for the furloughed guys and one of the possibilities they were discussing is moving 190s to the west and can’t do that. You know why.

Parker: Why

Pilot: Binding arbitration. So the company believes in binding arbitration. We have a binding arbitration for seniority. Does the company believe in binding arbitration or not?

Parker: The binding arbitration you’re talking about I think – I’m pretty sure what you are talking about – that was an ALPA process that resulted in binding arbitration. That wasn’t a company process. That’s ALPA to ALPA seniority integration that says if you can’t get it resolved we go to binding arbitration is ALPA policy not company policy. If the company’s in binding arbitration, yea we believe in binding arbitration.

 

[EastCheats]

Here is what the PRESIDENT of all the AAL pilots says.
west pilots enjoy fabricating scenarios to suit their failed fantasy. Now they grasp on to web board posts to support their bridge to nowhere.


In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby

 
You should have Kirby run for USAPA LLC prez. 😉

 

[Claxon]

You should have Kirby run for USAPA LLC prez. 😉

He helps more exactly where he is