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EastUS1 said:
The contempt for Capt Scabby runs deep on the West. Along with your management who now are finding themselves working for the commuter airlines. Skinner to Envoy and Hogg to Piedmont. Scabby tried to use his new-found fame to trash West pilots in court and your East managers did a very good job aided USAPA's objectives of separate ops with the benefit being profits going into management's pockets rather than to the pilots.
You're the one with "hero" envy who's probably pissed you are not getting fat paychecks for endorsements and speaking engagements rather going to soon have a pathetic LOA 93 retirement.
The west pilot fantasy is that TOGA miraculously would restore a destroyed engine to full power. west pilots fantasize fan blades bent beyond function would produce rated thrust. FADEC would instantly allow over temps and other exceeded limits to occur.CactusPilot1 said:
Mitchell Vasin took umbrage as well as the entire Legion of Spartans when Sullenberger displayed his fantastic judgement and airmanship.
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[SIZE=12pt]UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT: BYBEE, Circuit Judge, dissenting:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Here, the absence of a CBA is itself powerful evidence of a DFR violation. As set forth quite fairly in the majority opinion and in a lengthy and careful opinion by the district court, the Air Line Pilots Association (“ALPA”) was decertified and a new union, the U.S. Airline Pilots Association (“USAPA”), certified precisely to frustrate implementation of the Nicolau Agreement and to negotiate a CBA with U.S. Airways that favors the East Pilots. As the district court found, “USAPA’s sole objective in adopting and presenting its seniority proposal to the Airline was to benefit East Pilots at the expense of West Pilots, rather than to benefit the bargaining union as a whole.” Thus, “the terms of USAPA’s seniority proposal are substantially less favorable to West Pilots than the Nicolau Award” made through binding arbitration, an award that “USAPA concedes that it will never bargain for.”[/SIZE]
Yet another jurist fully exposing USAPA for exactly they they are and who they represent.
[SIZE=12pt]Here, the absence of a CBA is itself powerful evidence of a DFR violation. As set forth quite fairly in the majority opinion and in a lengthy and careful opinion by the district court, the Air Line Pilots Association (“ALPA”) was decertified and a new union, the U.S. Airline Pilots Association (“USAPA”), certified precisely to frustrate implementation of the Nicolau Agreement and to negotiate a CBA with U.S. Airways that favors the East Pilots. As the district court found, “USAPA’s sole objective in adopting and presenting its seniority proposal to the Airline was to benefit East Pilots at the expense of West Pilots, rather than to benefit the bargaining union as a whole.” Thus, “the terms of USAPA’s seniority proposal are substantially less favorable to West Pilots than the Nicolau Award” made through binding arbitration, an award that “USAPA concedes that it will never bargain for.”[/SIZE]
Yet another jurist fully exposing USAPA for exactly they they are and who they represent.
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Mikey and his pals opine:
[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]
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More from the Ninth:
[SIZE=12pt]We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recognized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA, is binding on USAPA. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Opinion[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Case: 09-16564 06/04/2010[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recognized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA, is binding on USAPA. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Opinion[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Case: 09-16564 06/04/2010[/SIZE]
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I've got a question for you, ace. How many cans of fix-a-flat does it take to air up the tires on an Airbus? We have another aircraft going in for x-rays due to East professionalism. A 3.8 G landing is quite impressive. So, commander, do you not think it is not a good idea to push the thrust levers up to TOGA for a little extra power for things like a go-around? Do you use the climb detent to recover from an unstable approach?EastUS1 said:
TOGA is only a suggestion, right? 😉
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