2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

You East idiots are getting stapled. Right where you Aholes belong...

You are by virtue of your date of hire on the bottom of the west list, so you must know how it feels.  Ten years on reserve and at least three more years to go?  Maybe you can give advice to other pilots in your predicament to help them cope, you sound like a very calm person.
 
Your thoughts sir?

 

[Claxon]

It looks like they have the right people running the show.

You wish it was like that. 
 
I am available for a short time to provide facts to the current situation, unlike spinthis.

 

[Phoenix]

Who needs an injunction?
 
Does the protocol agreement not say there can be no re-ordering of the respective lists?
 
Therefore, the Nic being the only system seniority list at LUS, it cannot be re-ordered by the arbitrators.  Just as the APA's list will not be re-ordered.
 
My prediction.  The arbitration board will plead to the usapa merger committee to return.  If the usapa committee declines, too bad so sad, and we move on without them.  The east is fully represented by the committee that withdrew on Monday, and it is their right to withdraw, however, their self hostage taking infantile antics are not grounds to delay the process this time.
 
In other words.  Show up and represent the east, or represent the east by not showing up...we no longer care, you have your McCaskill-Bond representation.

All the contracts acknowledges three (3) lists. Nothing other than that. Nothing.

 

[Claxon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVwsWXQz6lU

 

[nic4us]

All the contracts acknowledges three (3) lists. Nothing other than that. Nothing.

 
I am sorry, but you are grossly mistaken.
 
Nowhere is there any mention of "3 lists" in any contract.
 
I believe your false belief is in paragraph 10h. of the MOU, which states that nothing in the MOU will change the "lists" in effect at LCC.  Of course we all now know, as I have been telling this board all along, the Nic is a list in effect at LCC, as a matter of fact, the only accepted system wide seniority list in effect, and the only list usapa is capable of promoting via court order.
 
 
BTW, just read a BPR motion???  resolution??? I really do not know what to call it, other than pure FANTASY.  Anyway, in this Whereas, Whereas, Therefore document, the morons on the BPR claim to void all contracts entered into by the usapa merger committee.
 
I means really??  um...really??  Words escape me, but I will try.
 
How about...hey azzwipes, other parties signed those contracts with you and are going to enforce. 

 

[CactusPilot1]

It looks like Bradford really screwed it up for them. Oh well, the process moves along without them. Something about making your bed comes to mind.

 

[Res Judicata]

All the contracts acknowledges three (3) lists. Nothing other than that. Nothing.

Right. The 9th just clarified that with laser precision. There isn't 3 List's. just Two.You will find your name on the Nicolau Award. Please try and keep up. I know this "justice" thing is hard for you to grasp. Sleep Well. Leonidas will represent you to the best of their abilities.

 

[cactusboy53]

WHEREAS: On June 29th 2015, USAPAs President sent a letter to the McCaskill-Bond Seniority List Integration Arbitration Panel disavowing the position of the USAPA Merger Committee Counsel, and

WHEREAS: The USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives has met and through deliberation decided that the original letter submitted by Merger Counsel was the proper position taken considering all of the issues and potential ramifications,

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: The USAPA BPR instructs the USAPA President to withdrawal the letter he sent on June 29th 2015 to the McCaskill-Bond Seniority List Integration Arbitration Panel,

Wtf??

Who writes this stuff? Better yet, who's on first?

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BRILLIANT! You guys should have done this in 2007!!  Oh wait...you did.  What a bunch of Maroons! 
 
If you are an East pilot just sitting and watching these proceedings (and thinking that it really doesn't matter or apply to you), you REALLY need to get involved and pull USAPA back into this dimension.  If you are a USAPA sychophant...as Kevin Bacon said in Animal House:  "All is well!"

 

[Phoenix]

Right. The 9th just clarified that with laser precision. There isn't 3 List's. just Two.You will find your name on the Nicolau Award. Please try and keep up. I know this "justice" thing is hard for you to grasp. Sleep Well. Leonidas will represent you to the best of their abilities.

The 9th did no such thing. Can you read?

The 9th explicitly stopped short of requiring anyone to ever use or affirm the Nic for anything. No one, ever, for anything. Nothing required, ever. The antithesis of "final binding".

 

[EastUS1]

The 9th did no such thing. Can you read?

The 9th explicitly stopped short of requiring anyone to ever use or affirm the Nic for anything. No one, ever, for anything. Nothing required, ever. The antithesis of "final binding".

 
"Can you read?"  That issue's very much open for interpretation. One must not forget their 98% favorable vote for the MOU...quickly followed by claims in court of essentially having been too simply stupid or otherwise illiterate to have read and understood what they were overwhelmingly voting in favor of. Considering almost all of posted west history; I'm necessarily forced to take them at their word in court on those immediately above noted claims.

 

[prechilill]

Who needs an injunction?
 
Does the protocol agreement not say there can be no re-ordering of the respective lists?
 
Therefore, the Nic being the only system seniority list at LUS, it cannot be re-ordered by the arbitrators.  Just as the APA's list will not be re-ordered.
 
My prediction.  The arbitration board will plead to the usapa merger committee to return.  If the usapa committee declines, too bad so sad, and we move on without them.  The east is fully represented by the committee that withdrew on Monday, and it is their right to withdraw, however, their self hostage taking infantile antics are not grounds to delay the process this time.
 
In other words.  Show up and represent the east, or represent the east by not showing up...we no longer care, you have your McCaskill-Bond representation.

That's how I see it too. The east just screwed themselves by completely pulling out. As you said, their choice. They can do whatever they want, however the consequences belong to them as well. The APA provided them a committee without restrictions, the arbitrators afforded them the same privileges as the other two groups- the east decided to pull out. That is soley their choice and that decision alone with the consequences of that decision belongs soley with the east. Game over

 

[prechilill]

All the contracts acknowledges three (3) lists. Nothing other than that. Nothing.

And nobody changed that either- we still have the west, AA and the east list (assuming they want to submit one). The only entity which stopped the east list is USAPA. Is it possible to DFR yourself??? Lmao!!! Seriously, can Usapa DFR itself? Stupid idiots!!!!
Game over you STUOID east clowns!!!

 

[EastUS1]

That's how I see it too........

 
That's heartening news indeed. Kindly set us all out yet another of your famous "T-minus" countdown clocks so we all might better prepare for still another predicted and doubtless imminent apocalypse at your earliest convenience.

 

[PullUp]

The LUS-East APA-represented pilots wish to have the same consideration as the LUS-West(ie) pilots received - an APA-sanctioned committee representing their interests before the arbitration panel.
Our PHL and CLT reps should choose the pilot reps and have the same resources allocated to them as the west(ie) committee has. They should operate under the same restrictions and rules as the west(ie) committee.
 
The alternative is:
-DFR suit against APA
-Suit for abrogation of rights under MB against APA.
-Breach of Contract suit against AA and APA.
 
Who do I make the check out to?
Cheers.

 

[EastUS1]

The LUS-East APA-represented pilots wish to have the same consideration as the LUS-West(ie) pilots received - an APA-sanctioned committee representing their interests before the arbitration panel.
Our PHL and CLT reps should choose the pilot reps and have the same resources allocated to them as the west(ie) committee has. They should operate under the same restrictions and rules as the west(ie) committee.
 
The alternative is:
-DFR suit against APA
-Suit for abrogation of rights under MB against APA.
-Breach of Contract suit against AA and APA.
 
Who do I make the check out to?
Cheers.

 
Indeed. "Two's In" here. Let the games begin. 😉
 
No shortage of possible results come from this latest from the 9th. The west folks here (as always) seem only capable of perceiving what they "need" to see and believe in, which reflects no change whatsoever in their long-established behavior. Time will, as always, tell the tale. I must admit that it'd prove wryly amusing should this latest just essentially "add time" to their self-imposed "sentence" to PHX. Eight years now and counting. Few felons suffer even that much time in prison...