2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Phoenix]

The West says that Nicolau never negotiated or agreed to the PA, and Heir Freund never agreed to the PA, and Fergie Noots Bread never agreed to the PA, so the PA does not apply.  ... and some of the PHX pilots live in CLT and think their 5 hour commute is an escape from the fishbowl.  

 

[snapthis]

That Fishbowl term came from your very own Eric Ferguson. He was referring to PHX pilots being trapped. And have the integrity to acknowledge he included it in an update you got. It was a pretty stupid thing to say on the eve of arbitration, but say it he did. Guess you need to pay attention......

 
First of all, I don't need your lectures about the origins of a fish bowl because frankly, I don't care. Second, I am paying attention to the arbitration and discount your BS about anything said on the eve of arbitration.
 
PS-BS, I am very pleased with the your side's presentation. Well done, I see it's hard to let go of old bad habits.
 

 

[cactusboy53]

No they don't, the AOL scabs think they are going to demand and dictate the NIC, that ship has sailed long time ago........ It's up to the BOA.

Wrong again Johnny Boy. We are arguing LOGICALLY, and making SALIENT ARGUMENTS. It really is that simple, Johnny Boy. You are right, the decision is up to the BOA (just like the last time).

 

[luvthe9]

Wrong again Johnny Boy. We are arguing LOGICALLY, and making SALIENT ARGUMENTS. It really is that simple, Johnny Boy. You are right, the decision is up to the BOA (just like the last time).

Well Davey boy, IF the BOA does their job properly you will have wished you took the NIC at Wye when if was offered to you, you idiots turned down so many upgrades and wide body slots, your greed along with your reps have cost all AWA pilots dearly.........


"We did this to ourselves guys"......................Dave Blomgren







"Phoenix will be shrunk to serve 50 or so cities at max....it is a low-yielding hub...With a more bloated structure, the airline will be unable to support the same level of nonstops...PHX hub..."




http://upgrd.com/aerospace/love-foolosophy-us-airways-and-american-airlines-announce-merger.html









So, if you still think our MEC were heroes at Wye River, tell that to our bottom 175 pilots. All we can say is when you update your resume, just remember who didnt SAVE DAVE.

If the former West MEC goes after us on the facts, well have to put out more details, including actual statements from those who were there on both sides. But thats the former MECs call.

(Go ahead, former MEC members. Deny the truth. Look every pilot facing furlough in the eye and tell them about holding the line at Wye River. Want to talk? Well give you our forum to explain yourselves.)


Upcoming U-Turns: (Something that caught U-Turn off guard) Is the NIC negotiable? The case for DFR. Why Wye Rivers failure will hurt even senior pilots. Were does Ken Straves stand on Wye River? What does Ken Straver say happened at Wye River? Battling ALPA one week, supporting them the next? Is this Alice In Wonderland or what?

Editor at large for the U-Turn.

 

[Pi brat]

Truth hurts bub, you were probably that brat who got his butt kicked at the bus stop and ran under mommy's skirt. You're a loudmouth running under USAPA's skirt when needed.

Nope. Again, no substance, just jabs. Classy west integrity there.

The facts bug you, don't they?

 

[luvthe9]

Nope. Again, no substance, just jabs. Classy west integrity there.
The facts bug you, don't they?

Now now, you have to realize that Dave lives in constant denial of the facts, it helps him sleep better, if you can in the fishbowl.

 

[Metroyet]

Focus..
 
1) Final and Binding, or 2) Fair and Equitable.   Chose one path or the other.  Every bit of history is merely evidence to support one conclusion or the other, it matters not.  Chose which premise you want to prove, and stick with it!
 
If you can prove the first then then the second is superfluous.  If you can't prove the first, then the BOA must accept your implicit assumption, or you must persuade them of the second... Good luck!!
 
No circular arguments allowed, even though you swim in circles in the fish bowl.

So is the new USAPA...oops "EPSIC" proposal, (if accepted by the BOA) final and binding or fair and equitable? You can pick only one.

 

[luvthe9]

Luv the update............Captain Russ Payne BLOWS it for the WEST........ouch!

 

[Phoenix]

So is the new USAPA...oops "EPSIC" proposal, (if accepted by the BOA) final and binding or fair and equitable? You can pick only one.

 
 
When the BOA rules in the future (THE FUTURE), then the new SLI will be "contractual" i.e. enforceable... "contractual" is the word you are searching for.  
 
You guys keep saying "final and binding" about an "accepted" list from the past (THE PAST, with spittle projectiles), but you can't say "contractual".   
 
Focus... If you are arguing the past you need "contractual" evidence.  If you are arguing the future, you must begin your premise with "fair and equitable".   
 
Focus.  Retrospective arguments are founded on "contracts" and prospective arguments are founded on MB fair and equitable.  Good luck!!

 

[nic4us]

ALPA agreed with final and binding. Is ALPA a party? Does ALPA present their case tomorrow?

The PA doesn't mention ALPA, does it?

 
Wrong again, the pilots in the employment of the former AWA, and the pilots in the employment of USAirways, entered into a tripartite contract with the company.  ALPA was just the facilitator and CBA of both pilot groups.
 
A majority of east pilots formed the scab union and reneged on that contract, working for a decade on scab wages and work rules to do so.
 
 
PS. the Nic is still the only company accepted system seniority list covering those pilots that entered into that contract with the company, and the scab union has been found in violation of its DFR for its behavior in reneging on that contract.
 
The PA???  The question is not who is a party, the question is was uscaba a party to the PA, and are they not barred from the entire SLI process??  i.e. the PA is a pile of horse crap, and the West is not a party.

 

[nic4us]

Did I hit a nerve with the facts nicless?

Freund gets paid to be a hypocrite, not you. Your proposal tries to use the longevity of others.

 
I have not made a proposal, so it is not mine, however, from what I have read, the West proposal is the fairest method of integration based on equipment, status and career earning expectations. 
 
The hypocrites are the epsic who tries to pad their longevity with years not worked, and false tables of income expectations based on non-existent positions held.  Now the  Apsic has followed the east's  lead and made tables of income based on income they could not possibly make under the new contract,,,,,,dumb, when the east does it, dumberer when the apsic does it.  

 

[Claxon]

First of all, I don't need your lectures about the origins of a fish bowl because frankly, I don't care. Second, I am paying attention to the arbitration and discount your BS about anything said on the eve of arbitration.
 
PS-BS, I am very pleased with the your side's presentation. Well done, I see it's hard to let go of old bad habits.

west pilot victim syndrome.

 

[Claxon]

A majority of east pilots formed the scab union and reneged on that contract, working for a decade on scab wages and work rules to do so.
 

Fuzzy math scab.  Since your inception in 1983, you under cut pilot wages and benefits.
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/AVG%20WAGE%20-%20Pilots%20and%20Copilots.pdf

 

[Claxon]

 
"Three seniority integration committees are participating in the SLI hearings, each representing its respective existing seniority list and the pilots on each of those lists (US Airways East list, US Airways West list and American Airlines list)."    Allied Pilots Association

 

[Res Judicata]

 
 
When the BOA rules in the future (THE FUTURE), then the new SLI will be "contractual" i.e. enforceable... "contractual" is the word you are searching for.  
 
You guys keep saying "final and binding" about an "accepted" list from the past (THE PAST, with spittle projectiles), but you can't say "contractual".   
 
Focus... If you are arguing the past you need "contractual" evidence.  If you are arguing the future, you must begin your premise with "fair and equitable".   
 
Focus.  Retrospective arguments are founded on "contracts" and prospective arguments are founded on MB fair and equitable.  Good luck!!

Oh it's "contractual". Just because your illegal behavior (as confirmed by the 9th) impeded implementation, that does not mean, in any way, shape, or form, that the Nic isn't Contractual.  You guys signed your life away and were happy to do so because you got your choice of arbitrators. Only AFTER the award did you now find an excuse to forget how to read, speak, and understand English.
 
Don't worry. I'm sure the BOA is still confused and Buffaloed by your positions. Nobody gets it. You sneaked in under the wire unnoticed. You'll be fine.