2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Pi brat]

I have not made a proposal, so it is not mine, however, from what I have read, the West proposal is the fairest method of integration based on equipment, status and career earning expectations. 
 
The hypocrites are the epsic who tries to pad their longevity with years not worked, and false tables of income expectations based on non-existent positions held.  Now the  Apsic has followed the east's  lead and made tables of income based on income they could not possibly make under the new contract,,,,,,dumb, when the east does it, dumberer when the apsic does it.

Really?! The west is trying to use east longevity.

 

[Pi brat]

I like jabbing thin skinned Uapians like yourself. Fact of the matter, is claiming that you did not vote for USAPA yet supporting their agenda makes you of member of that club which is lower than scab. That's a fact, Jack. Enjoy the scorn that special status brings you, Trank.

Scorn? From who? Would you like to see my emails from AA pilots. You have done nothing but embarrass your group.

I didn't vote for USAPA. I didn't support them when I thought they were wrong, did when I thought they were right. You guys scammed the MOU and I called you on it and you don't like having your hypocrisy highlighted.

CB won't answer, so I'll ask you. Prior to the vote did he or Holmes tell you the MOU was illegal?

 

[cactusboy53]

The BOA is slowly figuring it out. Just like a FBI interview gone wrong.  Russ Payne did not fare well. Wilder slowly and methodically took his fairy tale apart.  Poor Russ had such a complicated script to follow, he kept tripping up.

 
Russ tripping up?  Were you there, Claxy?  I'll bet not.  Here is one question that Mr. Wilder posed to Captain Payne:
 
Wilder: “Would you, in the ordinary course,  anticipate that, to the extent a pilot was again effectively given a different length of service score, since it -- it ought not to result in a dramatically different score from what the pilot's own personal length of service would be?  Is that fair?”
 
"IS THAT FAIR?"  You guys are on a roll!  🙄 

 

[Phoenix]

In a fair and equitable arena, the fish showed up with Spartan integrity T-shirts, patriotic halloween costumes, and horror stories of final and binding.

 

[cactusboy53]

In a fair and equitable arena, the fish showed up with Spartan integrity T-shirts, patriotic Halloween costumes, and horror stories of final and binding.

 
Oh Scotty.  I'm wearing my PINK tie for my mother and my two aunts that all three passed from various cancers. I'm so glad that the Westies can provide you with comic relief this October.  My MOTHER is cheering her son & his compatriots on as they champion those that honor that arbitration agreement that we ALL agreed to.  My MOTHER is cheering on her son & his compatriots to force those that can not keep their word (Initially Pi. You know the FIRST arbitration, NOT subsequent agreements that would mean NOTHING if you'd honored your previous commitment).  My MOTHER is cheering on her son & his compatriots in making sure the school yard bullies do NOT get away with this nonsense.
 
The BOA is painfully aware of exactly what the EPSIC is arguing.  You just need to remember...this is FINAL & BINDING (just like the last one).  Buck up Dorothy & click them heels, I'm sure the BOA will see your EPSIC's logical argument (where on earth is that sarcastic emoji??).  😛 😛 😛 😛

 

[Claxon]

 
American Airlines Pilot Seniority List Integration Committee witness Jalmer Johnson;;;
 
“America West is an airline  historically was a low-cost, low-fare airline.
As a result, the America West-ALPA CBA and compensation was significantly below industry standard.”

“The CBA that was in effect at the time of the merger with US Airways and also in effect at the time of the merger with American -- because their (west pilot)  previous compensation was so low, they avoided going through the huge concessionary phase that nearly all the other airlines had to go through from about 2002 to 2006.”

“The 2003 agreement did provide for (america west pilots) the modest raises and the increases in DC contributions I cite here. And as a result of the Transition Agreement between America West and US Airways, they did get some modest improvements in their compensation, their DC plan and profit sharing.
Q. And that 2003 CBA as amended remained in effect at the time American and US Airways merged?
A. Yes.”

“A. Well, I think it's just helpful to kind of track where these three carriers were relative to this industry average or industry standard.  You can see that US Airways kind of at or above it until early 2000 -- or mid 2002. And then staying below it for the remaining ten years. America West always staying below it over the entire 12-year or 13-year period
And the outcome of that was having the lowest hourly pay rates in pilot compensation on particularly on the narrowbody airplanes from 2004 up to the point of this merger.  
And US Airways West, as I indicate, they worked for a low-cost carrier. Their wages and compensation were low. And they have always been below industry standard. “

“Slide 99 shows US Airways West because there were fewer pre merger bid positions, and some of those bid positions, since they were Group 2 and Group 3 First Officer separately, and then Captains, were paid the same.”

“A. Right. So, again, just reiterating. The US Airways East pilots have the lowest
pilot hourly pay rates for among U.S. major airlines from 2004 to 2012.
US Airways West pilots were paid historically at the bottom of the industry. They had a very low level of DC plan contributions.
 

 

[Claxon]

 
Pilots have always been reluctant to talk about mental health issues — but
minimizing or repressing urgent mental health needs can lead to more
serious problems.
The reality is that it doesn’t take a traumatic event to trigger a mental health
issue. Everyday life can put great stress on many who enter into cockpits,
sometimes requiring a self-assessment and subsequent self-grounding. A
“look under the hood” may be just what a pilot needs.
Please visit the Aeromedical page on alliedpilots.org and click on Mental
Health for Pilots and their Families Booklet to read this important information.
It includes practical mental health information and resources that can
help you and your family.
APA Employee Assistance Program (EAP) and Project Wingman
There IS help. You have a wingman. And we have your back.
Call Us — 817.823.7965 —the call is confidential.

We are all human.

 

[cactusboy53]

Claxy,
Who is this "America West Airlines" that Mr. Johnson speaks of??

One US Airways certificate. One US Airways airline. One US Airways seniority list (just like the Ninth Circuit’s decision). Pretty simple stuff.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Claxy,
Who is this "America West Airlines" that Mr. Johnson speaks of??
One US Airways certificate. One US Airways airline. One US Airways seniority list (just like the Ninth Circuit’s decision). Pretty simple stuff.

Just like Midatlantic.

You hung yourself with your own tie.

 

[Metroyet]

In a fair and equitable arena, the fish showed up with Spartan integrity T-shirts, patriotic halloween costumes, and horror stories of final and binding.

Aka "reality".

 

[EastCheats]

Scorn? From who? Would you like to see my emails from AA pilots. You have done nothing but embarrass your group.

I didn't vote for USAPA. I didn't support them when I thought they were wrong, did when I thought they were right. You guys scammed the MOU and I called you on it and you don't like having your hypocrisy highlighted.

CB won't answer, so I'll ask you. Prior to the vote did he or Holmes tell you the MOU was illegal?

 
Gets emails from AA pilots.
You must be really important
 
I did not vote for USAPA.
Yea right.
 
Scammed the MOU.
It's a conspiracy
 


 

 

[Black Swan]

Just like Midatlantic.
You hung yourself with your own tie.

Good one!

 

[Pi brat]

Gets emails from AA pilots.
You must be really important
 
I did not vote for USAPA.
Yea right.
 
Scammed the MOU.
It's a conspiracy
 

Not important at all. But you and your buddies have made such a bad impression that they have asked me what's wrong with you guys and say that now they understand.

Again, nothing substantial, just jabs. It's all you've got.

 

[cactusboy53]

Just like Midatlantic.

You hung yourself with your own tie.

 
What?  Did Mid-Atlantic buy you before we did??  I didn't know that!

 

[EastUS1]

Not important at all. But you and your buddies have made such a bad impression that they have asked me what's wrong with you guys and say that now they understand.

......

 
Indeed. From another site:  "Patriotic? More like insulting. As an outsider looking in, when I learned about what those ties were, it made me really disappointed.

The flag of our country is one that thousands and thousands have lost their lives fighting for. They didn't fight and die so that someone could use it for personal gain. The same flag that drapes the caskets of too many of our servicemen shouldn't be the symbol some use to represent financially backing one side of a seniority dispute at an airline.

Thats great that you want to show unity, but you picked about the worst symbol you could to do it. You're insulting a lot of people and our country every time you show your face in public with that tie on.

You all are making a lot of enemies and losing your public relations battle with a lot of people who have nothing to do with east pilots."
 
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/american-us-airways-merger/91170-day-5-a-4.html
 
It seems I'm hardly the only person that finds their childish BS offensive. Perhaps the mighty "army" of "spartans"/"valor"-soaked "knights" (and of course equally proven "patriots") should've stuck to "Integrity Matters" and "Dire Wolf" T-shirts.