2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

No, YOU still don't get it.  Even Mike Cleary got it before he tried to cheat the AWA pilots with the "USAPA hammer" (think DFR):
 
The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Boards Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPAs President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA. No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.
US Airwaves June/July 2000
US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)
 
Will this BOA completely sideline the Nicolau Seniority List?  That same BOA that works for the SAME agency as the respected & seasoned arbitrator George Nicolau?  Will the "East Pilot Seniority Integration Committee" (you know, USAPA-lite) be the FIRST case EVER to be able to evade an arbitration that the body & prior collective bargaining agent AGREED to.  It could happen....

Nothing but lies from the, lion king.....

 

[Pi brat]

 
Ahhh, the USAPA Son of Perdition rises again.  Oh Johnny Boy...what will you do?  Wye or wye must you continue to LIE?  Here's a piece of free wisdom:  Learn to live with this arbitration.  It's final & binding (just like the last one was). 
 
BTW, Blomgren might have been the mouth piece of those failed tales.  Do you know the author??  I'll bet not.

Final and binding. How's that working out for you CB? I didn't agree to final and binding, should I be bound by it?

 

[luvthe9]

 
BTW, Blomgren might have been the mouth piece of those failed tales.  Do you know the author??  I'll bet not.

Bottom line flounder he was right all along and you did not listen and it has cost your entire pilot group money and upgrades........Wye you constantly lie is beyond belief.



Fair and equitable this time...........

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
[SIZE=12pt]No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts [/SIZE]

 
Bravo.  So what?  The Nicolau has not been set aside by the courts, but it has been rendered moot by the election of USAPA and the AA MOU.
 
We don't care HOW the Nicolau abomination was neutered.  Just that it has been.
 
Remember, after all the heinous crimes Al Capone committed, he went to jail on tax fraud.  Eliot Ness didn't care how they got Capone in jail, just that they did.
 
It's the results, you fool!

 

[dariencc]

 
Bravo.  So what?  The Nicolau has not been set aside by the courts, but it has been rendered moot by the election of USAPA and the AA MOU.
 
We don't care HOW the Nicolau abomination was neutered.  Just that it has been.
 
Remember, after all the heinous crimes Al Capone committed, he went to jail on tax fraud.  Eliot Ness didn't care how they got Capone in jail, just that they did.
 
It's the results, you fool!

 
You are right.  And speaking of results, the new East bid results are out.  Solid movement.

 

[cactusboy53]

From a letter sent by Doug Parker:
 

“We have determined that the list submitted meets these criteria, so the company will accept the submitted list.”
 

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]The National Mediation Board on the subject of contract continuity (USAPA's obligation after it became the collective bargaining agent):[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]"When there is an agreement in effect between a carrier and its employees signed by one set of representatives and employees choose new representatives who are certified by the Board, the Board has taken the position that a change in representation DOES NOT ALTER OR CANCEL ANY EXISTING AGREEMENT [/SIZE]made on behalf of the employees by the previous representatives.  The only effect of a certification by the Board is that the employees have chosen other agents to represent them in dealing with the management under the existing agreement”
 
Hmmmm.  The NMB stating that the new CBA must HONOR all existing agreements.  I wonder if the BOA knows of this tenet? 

 

[cactusboy53]

 
You are right.  And speaking of results, the new East bid results are out.  Solid movement.

 
Crow as you like.  All by failing to abide by your word and persecuting / prosecuting those that you are charged with representing you.  I'm sure that you will get exactly what you deserve (eventually). 

 

[cactusboy53]

Final and binding. How's that working out for you CB? I didn't agree to final and binding, should I be bound by it?

 
Yes, you did agree.  The FIRST agreement was the first arbitration, and by being a union member you gave your word that your merger committee was charged with making the best argument for your seniority.  They failed to apply history and boldly went ahead with DOH.  Bad move, BUT you are still bound by that agreement.
 
Will you dodge it?  Who knows?  You are again bound by this one.

 

[cactusboy53]

 
Bravo.  So what?  The Nicolau has not been set aside by the courts, but it has been rendered moot by the election of USAPA and the AA MOU.
 
We don't care HOW the Nicolau abomination was neutered.  Just that it has been.
 
Remember, after all the heinous crimes Al Capone committed, he went to jail on tax fraud.  Eliot Ness didn't care how they got Capone in jail, just that they did.
 
It's the results, you fool!

 
Results.  True.
 
The Nicolau Seniority List is still alive, and TWO parties of the three are championing it.  The BOA is painfully aware of every illegal, dirt-ball move USAPA has done to evade that list.  Still not dead...still alive and kickin'

 

[Pi brat]

 
Yes, you did agree.  The FIRST agreement was the first arbitration, and by being a union member you gave your word that your merger committee was charged with making the best argument for your seniority.  They failed to apply history and boldly went ahead with DOH.  Bad move, BUT you are still bound by that agreement.
 
Will you dodge it?  Who knows?  You are again bound by this one.

No CB, I didn't agree. But you made my real point for me.
 
"...and by being a union member you gave your word that your merger committee was charged with making the best argument for your seniority."  What you are really saying is that as a union member I was bound by the agreements my CBA made. Hey, we agree! I was bound, just as you were(are) bound by the TA, the MOU and the Protocol Agreement. So would you go tell Freund that the west is bound by the terms(status quo), of the Protocol Agreement?
 
Thanks, and have a super spartan day!

 

[Pi brat]

 
Results.  True.
 
The Nicolau Seniority List is still alive, and TWO parties of the three are championing it.  The BOA is painfully aware of every illegal, dirt-ball move USAPA has done to evade that list.  Still not dead...still alive and kickin'

Championing  is a very strong word for the AAPSIC's actions. They don't want to use the Nic, they stated that the proper starting point was the status quo of three lists. They just thought there would be a stronger injunction from Judge Silver, so they thought the had to.

 

[Phoenix]

The National Mediation Board on the subject of contract continuity (USAPA's obligation after it became the collective bargaining agent):
 


"When there is an agreement in effect between a carrier and its employees signed by one set of representatives and employees choose new representatives who are certified by the Board, the Board has taken the position that a change in representation DOES NOT ALTER OR CANCEL ANY EXISTING AGREEMENT made on behalf of the employees by the previous representatives.  The only effect of a certification by the Board is that the employees have chosen other agents to represent them in dealing with the management under the existing agreement”
 
Hmmmm.  The NMB stating that the new CBA must HONOR all existing agreements.  I wonder if the BOA knows of this tenet?

Yes, contracts are binding. Just ask the company (or a court) to forgive and forget your commitment to accept the new contract that provides all previous agreements are a nullity.

It won't happen. Grow up. It's time to infuse some truth into your integrity matters t-shirts. Why wear them if you are a hypocrite? Just saying.

 

[Phoenix]

The court's never set aside the Nic, they never imposed the Nic.. They just stood by and did nothing, because as always it was only the pilots who could decide what their new contract would become. The court never had any role in the new contract, though some of them desperately wanted to.

In the end the courts finally shut their pie hole. Even Silver stood back and let the pilots do exactly as they wanted to, leaving the MOU and PA just as it was negotiated.

 

[CactusPilot1]

 
Bravo.  So what?  The Nicolau has not been set aside by the courts, but it has been rendered moot by the election of USAPA and the AA MOU.
 
We don't care HOW the Nicolau abomination was neutered.  Just that it has been.
 
Remember, after all the heinous crimes Al Capone committed, he went to jail on tax fraud.  Eliot Ness didn't care how they got Capone in jail, just that they did.
 
It's the results, you fool!

So what....thanks for the history lesson on mobsters. Were you taking notes?
 
The results are in and yes, it's not about Nicolau. It's about your inability to follow a process and willingness to cheat the result.