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Claxon said:
You really are not very bright. Read the line before your red high light.
He's a very desperate old man, plain and simple..........he sure likes to play pretend a lot!




"Footnote: Acquired America West Holdings (2004 rank: 678), Sept. 27, 2005. For accounting purposes, however, the company is treating America West as the acquirer."




"America West Airlines Inc. 10-Q 06/30/05 restrict our ability to take certain other actions, including mergers and acquisitions, investments and asset sales."



"AWA, on the other hand, wont likely have the cash to buy assets. That means other airlines could get stronger, while America West would retain the status quo, and in that world, the status quo wont guarantee stability or success."




"May 9 Scott Kirby, revealed Project Zanzibar It is now beyond dispute that the junior AW pilot, Dave Odell, and 300-400 other AW F/Os hired in 2002-05 would have been furloughed absent the US merger, as AW went into Chapter 11, perhaps never to emerge. "
 
luvthe9 said:
Come on Flounder .........we want to hear you call Blomgren a liar
Oh Johnny Boy.  You just don't get it, do you?
 
[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]
 
cactusboy53 said:
Oh Johnny Boy.  You just don't get it, do you?
 
The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Boards Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPAs President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA. No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.
US Airwaves June/July 2000
US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)


Come on flounder, you can do it........I left a whole pack of napkins in the cockpit for you boys.
 
cactusboy53 said:
Just bright enough.  Didn't Forrest Gump say "Jenny, I'm not a smart man but I do know what FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION is."

Doug Parker Letter 08/16/2007


Dear US Airways Pilot:

I should clarify that a joint contract does not necessarily mean immediate seniority integration. I have spoken with enough of our East pilots to know that such a proposal would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get ratified.



UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
May 12, 2009 - Jury Trial - Day 10
2058


You will recall the testimony of plaintiff Mark Burman. He's the man who verified the complaint in this action for the plaintiffs who agreed that the union election between ALPA and USAPA was basically a referendum vote rejecting the Nicolau Award.



May 12, 2009 - Jury Trial - Day 10
2009


You had plaintiff witness Ken Stravers, former chairman of the West Merger Committee, agree that the term log-jam was appropriate. Plaintiff Mark Burman recognized that there was an impasse. Plaintiffs' witness Russell Payne, former member of the ALPA -- the West ALPA MEC merger committee, agreed that the Wye River meetings were to resolve the impasse that existed and that they didn't succeed. Named plaintiff Steve Wargocki confirmed he had described the impasse that had arisen between the two sides as a quagmire.
 
Phoenix Crew News February 6, 2007

Pilot: I hear you stand there and talk about how great the view is on your side of the podium is like my compatriot Coladio saying on this side we are pretty upset. You are touting all these improvements but I just wanted to tell you from our view what weve seen accomplished. Since this merger was announced it has been complete stagnation for our pilot group. Our schedules are what we are able to do as far as bidding that type of thing. None of that has improved. The pilots that were hired here three years ago have the same schedules that they had. They dont have weekends off. They spend the same amount of time away from their families. Pilots that we had in our hiring pool were sent home. Pilots that are on the east pilot group are being recalled. America West and this pilot group put you in a position to where you could acquire US Airways. We dont see that as fair at all. Speaking of unfair, the seniority boarding thing youve come out with we view it as a real farce. Its not seniority boarding, its date of hire. Theres people that are on furlough-- pilots that are on furlough that have a greater day of hire than me. They dont have a job right now when they come back they are going to bump me out of a seat. Its also a violation of our contract Section 26 says you cant make any changes to that benefit. Weve also heard from Scott Kirby that this cost neutral thing was a big mistake and we were told to expect some changes at the bargaining table. Last time we were at bargaining it was pretty apparent from our side that management didnt spend any time they just came in handed sections out of the east contract. If we follow through on our plan of action while flying an aircraft the way that management is following through on their plan of action, there would be craters in the desert. The question I have for you today is if you agree that as pilots that we should focus on doing our jobs and running this airline as safely as possible.

CEO Doug Parker: The answer to that question is Yes. And let me talk about some of the comments you made. First off, as to the stagnation of growth for America West pilots since the merger what I will tell you is, and this is a hard thing to communicate to people but I believe it with all my heart, that if we didnt do the merger with US Airways youd be in a lot worse position. And frankly I think as a 3-year FO, you wouldnt have a job. We would have gone through a bankruptcy filing. We would have downsized. We had an airline at America West that had 20% lower unit revenues than US Airways and now has the same unit cost. That airline could not survive. We would try to make it better. Wed go file bankruptcy. Wed get ourselves a little stronger now the economy is back wed be trying to come out like Delta is. But I swear to you that airline was going to file bankruptcy. When it filed bankruptcy we would have downsized at least 15% and you know while you feel bad about stagnation, you should feel better about that versus where you were headed. And thats we were headed. So I feel very good about what we were able to do with the America West team through the merger because believe me the standalone plan was not gonna work. So again I mean thats hard for you to appreciate because you never saw it but, you know, it was coming. So thats point 1.


Your thoughts David Simmons regarding binding arbitration? Your CEO gets it. You? Not so much.....
 
Claxon said:
Phoenix Crew News February 6, 2007
Pilot: I hear you stand there and talk about how great the view is on your side of the podium is like my compatriot Coladio saying on this side we are pretty upset. You are touting all these improvements but I just wanted to tell you from our view what weve seen accomplished. Since this merger was announced it has been complete stagnation for our pilot group. Our schedules are what we are able to do as far as bidding that type of thing. None of that has improved. The pilots that were hired here three years ago have the same schedules that they had. They dont have weekends off. They spend the same amount of time away from their families. Pilots that we had in our hiring pool were sent home. Pilots that are on the east pilot group are being recalled. America West and this pilot group put you in a position to where you could acquire US Airways. We dont see that as fair at all. Speaking of unfair, the seniority boarding thing youve come out with we view it as a real farce. Its not seniority boarding, its date of hire. Theres people that are on furlough-- pilots that are on furlough that have a greater day of hire than me. They dont have a job right now when they come back they are going to bump me out of a seat. Its also a violation of our contract Section 26 says you cant make any changes to that benefit. Weve also heard from Scott Kirby that this cost neutral thing was a big mistake and we were told to expect some changes at the bargaining table. Last time we were at bargaining it was pretty apparent from our side that management didnt spend any time they just came in handed sections out of the east contract. If we follow through on our plan of action while flying an aircraft the way that management is following through on their plan of action, there would be craters in the desert. The question I have for you today is if you agree that as pilots that we should focus on doing our jobs and running this airline as safely as possible.
CEO Doug Parker: The answer to that question is Yes. And let me talk about some of the comments you made. First off, as to the stagnation of growth for America West pilots since the merger what I will tell you is, and this is a hard thing to communicate to people but I believe it with all my heart, that if we didnt do the merger with US Airways youd be in a lot worse position. And frankly I think as a 3-year FO, you wouldnt have a job. We would have gone through a bankruptcy filing. We would have downsized. We had an airline at America West that had 20% lower unit revenues than US Airways and now has the same unit cost. That airline could not survive. We would try to make it better. Wed go file bankruptcy. Wed get ourselves a little stronger now the economy is back wed be trying to come out like Delta is. But I swear to you that airline was going to file bankruptcy. When it filed bankruptcy we would have downsized at least 15% and you know while you feel bad about stagnation, you should feel better about that versus where you were headed. And thats we were headed. So I feel very good about what we were able to do with the America West team through the merger because believe me the standalone plan was not gonna work. So again I mean thats hard for you to appreciate because you never saw it but, you know, it was coming. So thats point 1.




Your welcome Dave, Guess you understand point 1.
 
This is what continually escapes the limited mind of David Simmons. Dave will go on and on till the cows come home about binding arbitration. Doug Parker got it from Day 1.



November 11, 2008 (Q&A in Phoenix with Doug Parker)

Pilot: . . . . My question though is I was at the hearing for the furloughed guys and one of the possibilities they were discussing is moving 190s to the west and can’t do that. You know why.

Parker: Why

Pilot: Binding arbitration. So the company believes in binding arbitration. We have a binding arbitration for seniority. Does the company believe in binding arbitration or not?

Parker: The binding arbitration you’re talking about I think – I’m pretty sure what you are talking about – that was an ALPA process that resulted in binding arbitration. That wasn’t a company process. That’s ALPA to ALPA seniority integration that says if you can’t get it resolved we go to binding arbitration is ALPA policy not company policy. If the company’s in binding arbitration, yea we believe in binding arbitration.
 
Claxon said:
This is what continually escapes the limited mind of David Simmons. Dave will go on and on till the cows come home about binding arbitration. Doug Parker got it from Day 1.
November 11, 2008 (Q&A in Phoenix with Doug Parker)
Pilot: . . . . My question though is I was at the hearing for the furloughed guys and one of the possibilities they were discussing is moving 190s to the west and can’t do that. You know why.
Parker: Why
Pilot: Binding arbitration. So the company believes in binding arbitration. We have a binding arbitration for seniority. Does the company believe in binding arbitration or not?
Parker: The binding arbitration you’re talking about I think – I’m pretty sure what you are talking about – that was an ALPA process that resulted in binding arbitration. That wasn’t a company process. That’s ALPA to ALPA seniority integration that says if you can’t get it resolved we go to binding arbitration is ALPA policy not company policy. If the company’s in binding arbitration, yea we believe in binding arbitration.



Seems to confuse a lot of westies.............Wye Dave continues to lie to his pilot group about the past is beyond belief, some character.
 
Its time to take a good look in the rear-view mirror. If we had a single contract in place, the NIC would also be in place. Sure, we would probably still have USAPA. But long before the East removed ALPA, we would have been operating under a single contract, with the Nicolau seniority list in place. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys.

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn

NEXT U-Turn: More details on what we lost and how we lost it.









Dave, what about Dave? A liar?
 
"PHX Crew News May 29th 2008 Scott Kirby: "I feel 100% certain that every single person in this room is better off because of the last merger occurred, there is a high probability that none of us would have jobs, at least not at this airline,"







See Dave, even Kirby knew we saved you?
 
cactusboy53 said:
Just bright enough.  Didn't Forrest Gump say "Jenny, I'm not a smart man but I do know what FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION is."
Your quote of Forrest Gump is totally incorrect. Your comments on Doug Parkers' statement on binding arbitration? Or do you continue to misrepresent the process? Your choice. Continue to lie and misrepresent and you will have to answer every false statement.
You have mislead and misrepresented your constituency on a continual basis. You are in far over your capabilities as is Mitchell Vasin.
You misquote a true American Icon Forrest Gump in your quest of seniority theft. Forrest Gump would be appalled at west pilots trying to steal seniority. You have embarrassed American workers in general, and Tom Hanks specifically. Your payback for misrepresenting Forrest Gump will be the heroic portrayal of east captain Sullenber and First Officer Skiles.
Soon west pilots will be met with general scorn when they attempt to sully Sully with their idiotic TOGA argument.
 
I think we should take Dave to the opening of the 1549 movie...........I'll buy the popcorn.
 
Claxon said:
Your quote of Forrest Gump is totally incorrect. Your comments on Doug Parkers' statement on binding arbitration? Or do you continue to misrepresent the process? Your choice. Continue to lie and misrepresent and you will have to answer every false statement.
You have mislead and misrepresented your constituency on a continual basis. You are in far over your capabilities as is Mitchell Vasin.
You misquote a true American Icon Forrest Gump in your quest of seniority theft. Forrest Gump would be appalled at west pilots trying to steal seniority. You have embarrassed American workers in general, and Tom Hanks specifically. Your payback for misrepresenting Forrest Gump will be the heroic portrayal of east captain Sullenber and First Officer Skiles.
Soon west pilots will be met with general scorn when they attempt to sully Sully with their idiotic TOGA argument.
Wow. That wasn't desperate at all.
 
luvthe9 said:
"PHX Crew News May 29th 2008 Scott Kirby: "I feel 100% certain that every single person in this room is better off because of the last merger occurred, there is a high probability that none of us would have jobs, at least not at this airline,"
See Dave, even Kirby knew we saved you?
I stopped attending those a long time ago. You really should rely more upon experienced jurists, arbitrators and industry experts. Using a 10 year old "blog" really doesn't pass that "sniff test".
 
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