2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Phoenix]

And you couldn't figure out the party that I was speaking of.  No wonder you don't get "Final & Binding".  Try to keep up.

Your chronic difficulty with details is showing again..

Contracts are about details, not inferences or assumptions.

Keep up. There is no try.

 

[luvthe9]

Wow, poor Davey boy, you are one pathetic sorry old man.........



When is the next letter coming out.........we're all waiting.........fishbowl, you had your chance, remember NIC or nothing, well you got it, so sit back and enjoy it




And remember.........big smiles

 

[traderjake]

luv thinks if people believe his WYE fairy tale they wont know he's a crook
 
Keep trying sport. 

 

[nevergiveup]

Poor Cactusboy is falling apart on us. Perhaps we are too hard on the little chap!

 

[EastUS1]

Wow, poor Davey boy, you are one pathetic sorry old man.........



When is the next letter coming out.........we're all waiting.........fishbowl, you had your chance, remember NIC or nothing, well you got it, so sit back and enjoy it




And remember.........big smiles

 
".....fishbowl, you had your chance, remember NIC or nothing, well you got it, so sit back and enjoy it." Pretty much.

 

[EastUS1]

This is because you ran away from your commitment and contract negotiations. Idiot.

 
If that's the strangely sustaining PHX fantasy well then: "This is because you ran away from your commitment and contract negotiations" was done to quite good affect it would seem. Might "you'se" (for even once) have some suggested "point" to offer there?...Besides the routinely dependable "Waaah(s)!" variants, of course....Or perhaps that "Saint Nic will somehow save me."....Seriously?
 
Grow Up.
 
P.S. "You'se" could of course offer up a few more "T-Minus" countdown clocks, or better yet some more rousing rounds of "This is Sparta!" (if it helps get you through yet another day) or at least finally consider the sensible suggestion of seeking some professional help.

 

[cactusboy53]

".....fishbowl, you had your chance, remember NIC or nothing, well you got it, so sit back and enjoy it." Pretty much.

No Michael "you'se" had your chance. USAPA is now GUILTY of DFR. Judge Silver will TAKE from USAPA's accounts what she seems fair, and shore up our accounts. Judge Conrad will take MORE, and unless a settlement can be reached, the named litigants will be held personally liable for mis-spent funds.

USAPA = FAILURE

 

[luvthe9]

luv thinks if people believe his WYE fairy tale they wont know he's a crook
 
Keep trying sport.

Sorry Traitor, that comes from the westies, seems no one wants to take responsibility for that epic mistake.

 

[EastUS1]

..........USAPA is now GUILTY of DFR. Judge Silver will TAKE from USAPA's accounts what she seems fair, and shore up our accounts. Judge Conrad will take MORE, and unless a settlement can be reached, the named litigants will be held personally liable for mis-spent funds.

USAPA = FAILURE

 
 
"Judge Silver will TAKE from USAPA's accounts what she seems fair, and shore up our accounts." Sigh...No possible doubt. While it was nic4us' long-ago and earnestly held convictions that "you'se" would ultimately be tendered, and I quote: "Billions in Damages"....Well, with any degree of social generosity involved from PHX; "you'se" must at least try to imagine just what degree of incurably farcical fools you've ever and always presented yourselves to be. DO let us all know just how your latest rides in Fantasyland actually play out..."This time for Sure!"?....?
 
No matter, I suppose...Umm...Whatever "you'se" say, mighty "spartan soldier"...and thanks as always for the dependable laughs. 😉
 
P.S. Why should "and shore up our accounts" be even a momentary concern out in "sparta"? Aren't the $675 "patriotic" ties flying off the shelves faster than "you'se" can even stock them?

 

[EastUS1]

No Michael "you'se" had your chance. ....

 
Really? When? "You'se" have yet to ever post any accepting response to my wager? Did I somehow miss that happening?....Sigh, once more....It tragically seems I'll have to sadly just endure life, even while never being able to even meet a "spartan soldier" (or is it "Battle"-tested"-"Knight"/ "Dire Wolf"/whatever) of your stature, or ever proudly possessing an "Integrity Matters" T-shirt....much less "patriotic"/idiotic little children's $675 tie, "Proudly Designed" by some self-styled widdle "Army" existent only in Fantasyland. Oh Well....My loss, I must suppose.

 

[Claxon]

Poor Cactusboy is falling apart on us. Perhaps we are too hard on the little chap!

It has been tough on him since the triple personality of Eastcheats/Snapthis/Cactuspilot1 was booted off the board.

 

[luvthe9]

luv thinks if people believe his WYE fairy tale they wont know he's a crook
 
Keep trying sport.

Yea, these west scabs are all liars.........funny Davey boy refuses to call his fellow pilots liars.

I have all the updates from your watchdog group...........so who screwed the AWA pilot group over you Davey boy, perhaps Ferguson or Koontz, well whoever good job


time to upgrade!.........your pappy must be so disappointed in you.


From: u-turn [mailto:awapilots@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: U-Turn: Taking Responsibility

Taking Responsibility

A recession is when you have to tighten your belt; depression is when you have no belt to tighten. When you've lost your trousers - you're in the airline business. Sir Adam Thomson

Over the past few U-Turns, weve noticed a change in the tone of comments weve received. Maybe the reality of what we are up against is finally sinking in. Some accused us of taking the quotes from the Freund rebuttal out of context. We didnt. Weve had requests for copies of Jeff Freunds actual East Vs West court documents. The file is too big to be directly cut and pasted. We can forward it in a scanned PDF-ZIP/Scan format. Just email us. Remember, we have no website, no budget and receive no donations. Maybe someone will paste it as an attachment on the AWAPPA web board for all to view. We would do it ourselves, but weve all been banned from the AWAPPA web board since May.

We have also received additional comments on what happened at Wye River from both sides. While our initial reporting appears to be correct and consistent with the latest accounts, it was incomplete. Heres additional information from both sides.

According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two. We wont address his motivation for leaving.
As Jeff Freund observed in his rebuttal to the East MEC lawsuit, the NIC was not in stone. And the loss of ALPA put it in real trouble. At least ALPA had the obligation, through the ALPA Merger Policy, to attempt to get the company to use the NIC Award.

ALPAs lawyers knew the list was negotiable, but they never told either rank and file. We attended last summers ALPA road shows in PHX, starring Paul Rice and a cast of ALPA attorneys. Did ALPA ever hint that the NIC was negotiable? We believe it was for fear of fanning the flames and drawing more support for USAPA that Herndon kept that from us. They did tell all the Wye River attendees the reality. One side listened, the other didnt.

In last summers East Vs West lawsuit, the East used ALPA DUES MONEY and an ALPA-Approved attorney, Roland Wilder, to pursue the case. As far as we can determine, we had to use our own Merger Fund money to defend ourselves. Thanks for choosing sides, ALPA! In the likely event that the NIC will be trashed in a single contract, it will be our own voluntary contributions that will have to be raised for a DFR lawsuit. USAPA expects it, so we shouldnt disappoint them. This could be an extremely costly effort that could drag on for years. U-Turn is not discouraging filing a DFR, and we need closure.

Jeff Freund is a top-notch lawyer. We have no doubt that he told our MEC the truth about how negotiable the NIC really was. The question is: why didnt CJ, Bendett, et al, listen? We figure that they either didnt believe him or after all their hairy-chested resolutions and hotlines, they were afraid to back down. What good are attorneys if you dont take their advice?

There is one other possibility. We mentioned it in a previous U-Turn. Our union leaders believed that the USAPA vote would be close (razors edge, to quote one of them) and that it was worth holding out and rolling the dice, figuring that if ALPA survived, so would the NIC. Too bad ALPA didnt explain the importance of the 30% of East pilots who refused to participate in the Wilson Polling.

We now have a better picture what the East MEC had on the table: an 8 year fence, furloughs by longevity (LOS), MDA time not counting for longevity, Dave ODell having 400 pilots below him, and the Nic surviving as THE LIST. Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now, but last February the EAST MEC and ALPA couldnt get to first base with it.

Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that.

U-Turn


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[EastUS1]

Poor Cactusboy is falling apart on us. Perhaps we are too hard on the little chap!

 
Fair enough and point taken. In all fairness though; I've often suggested therapy for the poor boy.

 

[luvthe9]

Fair enough and point taken. In all fairness though; I've often suggested therapy for the poor boy.

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[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Sorry MUT, but that delay is all on you and the USAPA faithful.  You balked at your commitment, ran away from the the negotiation table, cried foul to ALPA, tried to sue AWA ALPA, fired up a new union EXPRESSLY to dodge your commitment, wrongfully persecuted the AWA pilot group in an effort to get us to capitulate to your will, and have lied, cheated and done everything both legally and illegally to dodge the Nicolau Seniority List.
 
USAPA was and remains an abject failure.

. Well you flunked math you blithering idiot ,NO DAMAGES, duh, we never dodged our commitment, if we had lied and cheated, pot talking to kettle you would have been awarded damages, love the persecuted perspective, the airline industries a b!?$& ain't it, You are the biggest cry baby, OBTW, you did flunk math!