2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

You certainly lack self-confidence and have not presented nothing more than weak, canned slogans.

You'd better be more prepared than I am seeing here.

Good luck, enjoy the rest of your day. 😉

I just presented to you legal court cases and a recent labor agreement.  I was the mirror you did not want to look in to today.

 

[luvthe9]

That's quite the stretch, your desire to see Phoenix closed could bite you back because those displaced pilots will bid to another base by their seniority not by DOH, btw. You no longer have your East buddies in their previous positions nor do you have USAPA to forward your scheme.
Phoenix closes, fine, paid MovetoCLT. 😉

That's quite the stretch, your desire to see Phoenix closed could bite you back because those displaced pilots will bid to another base by their seniority not by DOH, btw. You no longer have your East buddies in their previous positions nor do you have USAPA to forward your scheme.
Phoenix closes, fine, paid MovetoCLT. 😉

Your seniority is your DOH, is that how you not bid for your schedule or do the junior pick before the senior, Sue again this will be tied up for so long it will make your head spin, why geez ties will have to up to 875 by then better save son, funds are low.

 

[luvthe9]

A declaratory judgment, a failed DFR suit and an agreement on a American contract nulled any previous agreements.  But hey, go ahead and wear your 675 tie for the next few years, stagnant and in a base that will be closing.

They should stay in the sandbox.

 

[Claxon]

The US Airways list presented will look a lot like this:http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/The_Unofficial_Revised_Nicolau_2JAN15.pdf
I just checked and I am above Dean Collelo.
Who knows, after the airbitration, Dean may be further down the list. 😉

In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby


Seems you and the President of American Airlines are light years apart on the seniority issue.

 

[Claxon]

The US Airways list presented will look a lot like this:http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/The_Unofficial_Revised_Nicolau_2JAN15.pdf
I just checked and I am above Dean Collelo.
Who knows, after the airbitration, Dean may be further down the list. 😉

November 11, 2008 (Q&A in Phoenix with Doug Parker)

Pilot: . . . . My question though is I was at the hearing for the furloughed guys and one of the possibilities they were discussing is moving 190s to the west and can’t do that. You know why.

Parker: Why

Pilot: Binding arbitration. So the company believes in binding arbitration. We have a binding arbitration for seniority. Does the company believe in binding arbitration or not?

Parker: The binding arbitration you’re talking about I think – I’m pretty sure what you are talking about – that was an ALPA process that resulted in binding arbitration. That wasn’t a company process. That’s ALPA to ALPA seniority integration that says if you can’t get it resolved we go to binding arbitration is ALPA policy not company policy. If the company’s in binding arbitration, yea we believe in binding arbitration.

 

[CactusPilot1]

They should stay in the sandbox.

I look forward to seeing you get buried head first to the bottom of the seniority list so far you'll never climb out. Enjoy you own years of stagnation in the future for those stolen upgrades. You thieves won't get away with it for long. Step one, freezing those extorted funds from your decertified fake union.

 

[luvthe9]

Seems you and the President of American Airlines are light years apart on the seniority issue.

Jethro Tull comes to mind, "Living in the Past" 72' I think.

 

[luvthe9]

I look forward to seeing you get buried head first to the bottom of the seniority list so far you'll never climb out. Enjoy you own years of stagnation in the future for those stolen upgrades. You thieves won't get away with it for long. Step one, freezing those extorted funds from your decertified fake union.

Only in your dreams or should I say nightmares Davey boy, you'll be supersizing fries if that happens, 34 years here son, Now go to your room.



You'll wait your turn like all the rest, except it.

 

[Claxon]

I look forward to seeing you get buried head first to the bottom of the seniority list so far you'll never climb out. Enjoy you own years of stagnation in the future for those stolen upgrades. You thieves won't get away with it for long. Step one, freezing those extorted funds from your decertified fake union.

I am the messenger west pilots. Look in the mirror and face your reality. Your president and CEO do not agree with your Nicolau.
Your minus votes mean nothing.

 

[luvthe9]

"One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\

Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horner’s current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union."






The APA knows Kevin Horner and his record!!

 

[luvthe9]

I am the messenger west pilots. Look in the mirror and face your reality. Your president and CEO do not agree with your Nicolau.
Your minus votes mean nothing.

"If the ALPA process was final and binding why was there a Rice committee, a blue ribbon panel and Wye River? But then, our own Merger attorney made it clear in a court filing back in July 2007 that “the proposed pilot seniority list developed through ALPA’s Merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the Company, but which (like a union bargaining position in any matter) the Company is not required to accept.”

 

[luvthe9]

"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now, "



"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."





"From what weve been told, Jeff Freund left the Wye River conference out of frustration over our MECs refusal to negotiate a compromise. Our MEC says they held the line. If failure to negotiate, causing 175 furloughs, is holding the line, great job, guys. The East MEC made an offer that would have prevented Dave ODell from being furloughed. You turned it down."




In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby





Talk to us Davey boy.

 

[luvthe9]

I look forward to seeing you get buried head first to the bottom of the seniority list so far you'll never climb out. Enjoy you own years of stagnation in the future for those stolen upgrades. You thieves won't get away with it for long. Step one, freezing those extorted funds from your decertified fake union.

"First off, as to the stagnation of growth for America West pilots since the merger what I will tell you is, and this is a hard thing to communicate to people but I believe it with all my heart, that if we didn’t do the merger with US Airways you’d be in a lot worse position"


We saved you and O'Dell from Project Zanzibar be grateful.

 

[luvthe9]

"U-Turn: Replies to former West negotiator Jim Van Sickle U-Turn recognized that only ALPA could guarantee the NIC. With ALPA gone, and no participation by the West in USAPA, the NIC is dead. If you don't think so, file a DFR and see how far it goes."



Not to far I would say.

 

[luvthe9]

"The East offered us 40% of the E-190 CA positions in a non-precedent DOH basis. McIlvenna and Dotter demanded a rotating bidding system that would put the most senior pilot on reserve every four months. We ended up in arbitration and lost. We got 33% of the CA slots as IOU. No west pilots have upgraded on the 190. If we took their DOH offer, we would have upgraded over 40 West pilots already. Almost half could hold lines. "





We bent over backwards to help you guys.,