2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Eastcheats
Cactuspilot1
SNAPTHIS
Answer this: should Legacy American Airlines Pilots furloughed at the time of merger announcement be placed below all working former america west pilots with no credit for LOS?

Yes or no.

 

[Claxon]

Yes or no.

They will not touch that subject. The reason being: WEST PILOTS SENIORITY PROPOSAL PUTS ALL FURLOUGHED LEGACY AMERICAN PILOTS BELOW EVERY WEST PILOT SAVE FOR A FEW NEW HIRES.

 

[luvthe9]

So, if you still think our MEC were heroes at Wye River, tell that to our bottom 175 pilots. All we can say is when you update your resume, just remember who didnt SAVE DAVE.

If the former West MEC goes after us on the facts, well have to put out more details, including actual statements from those who were there on both sides. But thats the former MECs call.

(Go ahead, former MEC members. Deny the truth. Look every pilot facing furlough in the eye and tell them about holding the line at Wye River. Want to talk? Well give you our forum to explain yourselves.)





Ferguson and Koontz should be held accountable for the damage done to the west pilots career.

 

[luvthe9]

"Wye River’s failure will hurt even senior pilots. Were does Ken Straves stand on Wye River? What does Ken Straver say happened at Wye River?"




To bad, looks like the top several hundred could have held wide body slots, what a stupid move.


You will NEVER recoup what you idiots lost, now run along sell a tie AOL is very short on funds and Marty wants his money.

 

[luvthe9]

"Last Stand Back to Wye River. Did West Merger Attorney and West MEC advisor Jeff Freund really walk out of talks because the MEC refused to give on the NIC or did West MC Chairman Ken Stravers chase him out?"

 

[nevergiveup]

"Last Stand Back to Wye River. Did West Merger Attorney and West MEC advisor Jeff Freund really walk out of talks because the MEC refused to give on the NIC or did West MC Chairman Ken Stravers chase him out?"

I heard the west guy left to go skeet shooting! This was from someone that was there. The west going with there own comittee for this arbitration is a huge mistake. Not my call.

 

[luvthe9]

The west going with there own comittee for this arbitration is a huge mistake. Not my call.

They are not the brightest group and quite a few westies know it's a big mistake, had a pretty senior west Capt in the jumpseat out of MIA. He was adamant about not going it alone.

 

[traderjake]

like I said.........
 
"being one and insane"

 

[Claxon]

 
'The West Pilots deny that the issue before the Board is whether or not West Pilots have an independent legal right to participate in the SLI proceedings.
Any attempt to reframe the issue in this manner should be dismissed by the
Board, the West Pilots insist. Whether the West Pilots have a separate and
independent legal right to engage in SLI negotiations and arbitration is irrelevant,
as APA has already decided as a matter of its discretion to appoint a West
Merger Committee.
 
According to the West Pilots, USAPA is merely attempting to confuse the
issue before the Board by recrafting the issue to be decided. The only issue to
be resolved, the West Pilots maintain, is whether APA has properly exercised its
discretion to appoint a West Merger Committee to ensure that the interests of
West Pilots are fully represented in the SLI process. As a minority group, the
West Pilots should be afforded full party status in the SLI proceedings to avoid
being dominated by USAPA. For that reason, the West Pilots conclude that APA
has the discretion to appoint a West Committee to participate in the seniority
integration process."

No west MB status, USAPA did not give up their legal rights.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Arbitrators_Grant_West_Request_for_SLI_Committee.pdf

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No west MB status, USAPA did not give up their legal rights.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Arbitrators_Grant_West_Request_for_SLI_Committee.pdf

Bingo!

 

[Claxon]

The west pilots used john scherff obtained addresses (illegally copied from a company computer and found to be a non essential company id breach {after 627 thousand dollar id theft protection spent} by doug parker in a "internal investigation") for East pilots in their latest suit against USAPA representatives. 
 
Tune in soon. doogie, lawyer up.

 

[Black Swan]

The west pilots used john scherff obtained addresses (illegally copied from a company computer and found to be a non essential company id breach {after 627 thousand dollar id theft protection spent} by doug parker in a "internal investigation") for East pilots in their latest suit against USAPA representatives. 
 
Tune in soon. doogie, lawyer up.

Why are the West pilots on the board not articulating their stand with American pilots? It would be informative to hear their seniority proposal. We do know they are trying the Nic on us. And this is a good thing as it is that insane. But knowing the APA, having a sister flying there- the West is going to kick a hornets nest if they try and drop the AA furloughed without any LOS credit. The APA will crush the West. The West guys have absolutely no idea what they are up against.

 

[Claxon]

Let us think about this, sue defunct impotent spartans or the money shots doogie, and a corporation for id breech.
 
Tune in later.

 

[Black Swan]

They will not touch that subject. The reason being: WEST PILOTS SENIORITY PROPOSAL PUTS ALL FURLOUGHED LEGACY AMERICAN PILOTS BELOW EVERY WEST PILOT SAVE FOR A FEW NEW HIRES.

Yes, I believe this will be their proposal. And that is a good thing. The APA will pull the long knives.
The AA pilots know Leonidas and West are proposing a staple job. From what I hear, the AA proposal will keep AAA pilots off the 787, 777, 767 for a long time. The East will get the 350 flying ordered. The West will fare far worse having brought nothing.

 

[Black Swan]

Let us think about this, sue defunct impotent spartans or the money shots doogie, and a corporation for id breech.
 
Tune in later.

Who is suing?