2015 Pilot Discussion.

[nycbusdriver]

Agreed, the only trip out of PHL right now I could see it on is TLV, and that would require 3 aircraft to support. MIA -TLV and maybe JFK-TLV in the future as well. And you are right, I see the bulk of this aircraft order going to LAX and DFW.
There is an extremely high probability you will never see a wide body in PHX.

 
PHL-TLV requires two aircraft, not three.

 

[Freighterguynow]

http://cactuspilotcontributors.com

It is sobering to see how long this process has taken."

You'll have lots more time to sober up. Looks like the company is backpedaling on even a 2017 joint bid for the Flight Attendants.

Originally projected for 2016.

 

[luvthe9]

West pilots wouldn't be here absent the merger as well.

They all know about Project Zanzibar and how we saved them

 

[luvthe9]

Just curious why you think East gets the 350 vacancies.
They were ordered after the merger with AWA. Are these USAPA airplanes just like 24% of the flying the West now performs?
I think the West has a pretty good shot at being awarded a share of the wide body flying you covet so dearly. 15 A330's that arrived on the property after and as a result of the merger that they have been denied because of the SLI battle.
A question for you: Do you think USAirways pilots that spent as much as 9 or 10 years on furlough status should be given full credit towards length of service in the AA SLI?
Have a good weekend.[/quote

I cannot give you an absolute time on that 350 order, but pretty sure it was 2005 and specifically tailored for the USAirways transatlantic market. Had nothing to do with PHX or domestic. That is fact. As far as the AA furloughed people, I do feel they should get credit, LOS. Personally, it is hard to deny anyone their time in service, and we all know it is nobody's fault as a line driver when it comes to our collective fate.
Just my opinion. Do you have any info on when the 350 order was put in?
You too, have a good weekend.

The west are not entitled to our wide body flying they gave that up, they are independent from our union as they wish, we will now fence them off for years.

 

[nevergiveup]

The west should hope for DOH and a fence around PHX! 

 

[EastCheats]

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The west are not entitled to our wide body flying they gave that up, they are independent from our union as they wish, we will now fence them off for years.

Who's flying? I thought you did not work here 😉

Qoute much? You might want to work on that.

 

[EastCheats]

The west should hope for DOH and a fence around PHX!

Dream on.

 

[luvthe9]

Dream on.

Kind of like your NIC.

 

[luvthe9]

I think TWA has a good shot at their injunction, this will tie things up for years, APA and the east are both OK with that.

 

[luvthe9]

The west should hope for DOH and a fence around PHX!

Give them the NIC as long as they stay locked in PHX.

 

[EastCheats]

Has Mike Cleary changed his position and opinion of George Nicolau since 2002? Judge Silver made note of it. The changing of positions and inconsistencies.
US AIRWAVES January/February/March 2002
Mike Cleary (BOS)
Todd Cardoza (PHL)
Randy Mowrey (PIT)
Merger Committee
In light of recent furlough announcements,
many US Airways pilots have expressed concerns
about the seniority integration rights
of furloughees.
Beyond that, the absence of current employment
and uncertainties about future prospects are
among the equities likely to affect a furloughees
seniority placement. No pilot, regardless of furlough status, can be
guaranteed any particular placement on a merged
list. The only certainty in seniority integration is
that the outcome is never certain until the merger
representatives reach an agreement or, failing a
negotiated solution, the arbitrator issues an award.
Each case presents its own facts and equities, and
each requires a resolution tailor-made to the
situation presented.
US Airways-US Airways Shuttle. The most
recent seniority integration involving US Airways
pilots resulted from US Airways purchase
in November 1997 of the US Airways
Shuttle. In a decision authored by Arbitrator
George Nicolau, the arbitration panel constructed
a consolidated seniority list comprised
of seven segments, plus a few conditions and
restrictions.
Judge Silver:
"USAPAs Position is Unwise
USAPA has succeeded here but it is a Pyrrhic victory. As contemplated by the MOU,
in the very near future an election will take place and a new representative will be chosen by
all of the post-merger pilots.13 It is almost certain USAPA will lose that election. Once that
happens, USAPA will no longer be entitled to participate in the seniority integration
proceedings.14 The Court has no doubt thatas is USAPAs consistent practiceUSAPA will
change its position when it needs to do so to fit its hard and unyielding view on seniority.
That is, having prevailed in convincing the Court that only certified representatives should
participate in seniority discussions, once USAPA is no longer a certified representative, it
will change its position and argue entities other than certified representatives should be
allowed to participate. The Courts patience with USAPA has run out. USAPA avoided
liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that
USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified
representative."
The APA noticed:
"To be blunt, USAPA's version of events is fiction. USAPA leadership specifically and directly solicited this latest protocol proposal from the Seniority Integration Committee. USAPA's merger counsel was also briefed on the likely content of the protocol document several days before receipt. USAPA's abject failure to communicate these facts erodes the very foundation of trust necessary for any further negotiations. It is now apparent to us, just as it was to Judge Silver in the Addington v. USAPA DFR decision, that USAPA is using these tactics, including reneging on its bargain under the MOU and litigating the McCaskill-Bond process in court, with the express goal of delaying the NMB single-carrier finding."
There's a common theme. Usapians are seen as shifty, conniving assiciation of malcontents by others.

I can see that the Usapians are going to be sitting at the folding table while the adults are negotiating the SLI.

 

[EastCheats]

Kind of like your NIC.

More like your imaginary alliance with the APA. If you worked here or read their comments you would know better. Silly fool.

 

[Phoenix]

I think TWA has a good shot at their injunction, this will tie things up for years, APA and the east are both OK with that.

Does TWA have a tie I can buy?

 

[EastCheats]

Does TWA have a tie I can buy?

Would you like a pin too? View attachment 10662

 

[FWAAA]

There is an extremely high probability you will never see a wide body in PHX.

Agreed, except for maybe London. BA has long served PHX but with the merger and the joint venture between BA and AA, it might make sense for AA to fly this route instead of BA. But I wouldn't advise any West pilots to bank on it.