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Claxon said:
"The West Pilots

•Have reached the end of our good humor and polite disposition
 
CactusPilot1, on 07 Apr 2015 - 3:24 PM, said: "You had better wake up. West pilots are not going to tolerate second-class status at this airline."
 
 I'd just haplessly assumed it was all an empty threat, but "reached the end of our good humor and polite disposition"?....Whew! That's indeed serious! My mistake for so badly underestimating the true severity of the situation. 😉
 
All internet nonsense and nyaah, nyaahs/yo' momma!'s aside guys/gals: Be safe out there.  "Don't sweat the small stuff" and whatever else is true; while still gifted with both opposable thumbs and a pulse; "It's all small stuff". 🙂
 
AMR pilots only want what they brought to the merger. East pilots only want what they brought to the merger.  Where the frustration sets in for the west is, they do not want what they brought to the merger, they also want and feel entitled to a big piece of the East and AMR pie.
 
west pilots, read the history of what happened to the Air Cal, Reno, TWA and Air Tran pilots to predict your future, then move on.  You are now employed by the largest airline in the world, no one feels sorry for you, there is no reason to do so.
 
Claxon said:
REALITY: PHX REP UPDATE
This decade-long delay wouldn’t be such an issue if the Phoenix base had been allowed to share in the gains of these mergers, but the company seems hell-bent on keeping PHX on the island that USAPA created. Management's announced plans will prolong this unfair situation that deprives PHX pilots of opportunities found everywhere else throughout the system by turning a blind eye toward the obvious, and remaining deaf to our many complaints while continuing to reward behavior that is detrimental to the company as a whole. To our knowledge, management still has no plans to bring new pilots or equipment to PHX in the interim, so we should expect things to only get worse in PHX (and for longer) before anything improves.

Crybabies did this to themselves, back in 2007 even Stevie Wonder could have seen what was about to happen. NIC or nothing, so be it then.

And if management says fall of 2016, that really means 2017 or 2018. Even longer if more lawsuits appear.

You guys got more than you brought to this merge, 25% of them would be furloughed if they weren't flying east routes now. One of NIC's failures was not correctly valuing the east franchise. Hindsight is 20/20 though, right?

In all fairness you westies do have some good guys over there, just encountered two crews while visiting relatives. I didn't ride jumpseat, but was treated rather well by both front and backend crews. Know that I have , and always will extend the same courtesy if I encounter any of you guys commuting. I know everywhere has their 10% ers, and some who post here seem pretty extreme like Res for example.

I sure wouldn't want to be one of the 3 SLI arbitrators, this is going to be a mess.
 
Claxon said:
AMR pilots only want what they brought to the merger. East pilots only want what they brought to the merger.  Where the frustration sets in for the west is, they do not want what they brought to the merger, they also want and feel entitled to a big piece of the East and AMR pie.
 
west pilots, read the history of what happened to the Air Cal, Reno, TWA and Air Tran pilots to predict your future, then move on.  You are now employed by the largest airline in the world, no one feels sorry for you, there is no reason to do so.
Claxon said:
AMR pilots only want what they brought to the merger. East pilots only want what they brought to the merger.  Where the frustration sets in for the west is, they do not want what they brought to the merger, they also want and feel entitled to a big piece of the East and AMR pie.
 
west pilots, read the history of what happened to the Air Cal, Reno, TWA and Air Tran pilots to predict your future, then move on.  You are now employed by the largest airline in the world, no one feels sorry for you, there is no reason to do so.


They got what they wanted NIC or NOTHING, NOTHING IT IS
 
LOST IN BASE- Wikipedia

LOST IN BASE is an American reality show created by former america west airline pilots, produced by Cat 3 Productions and Internet Trash Talk (ITT)
The show is currently in its tenth season, with possibly five more seasons planned.
Though the original series concept centered on the Army of Leonidas, many later story lines focused on a Dr. Zachary Smith like character, played by Eric Ferguson. Originally written and portrayed as an utterly evil and ruthless attorney, Eric gradually becomes the troublesome self centered, incompetent foil who provides comic relief for east pilots, and causes most of the episodes conflict and misadventures as he haplessly pursues the fleeting mirage of the Nicolau Award.
What causes the group to be LOST IN BASE is a chance encounter with east pilots, but in the first episode it is Ferguson and hapless Mitch Vasins' (2004 hires) urge to usurp the orderly and established concept of pilot seniority that sets the west pilot group on a course of perpetual legal blunders. Ferguson and Vasin are thus the keys to the story.
CAST:
Misty Winker as Penny Robinson
Mark C Doyal as Will Robinson
Susie Edwards as Dr. Maureen Robinson
Brice Le Carre as Major Dan West
Eric Ferguson as Dr. Zachary Smith
Mitch Vasin as Robot B-9

Tune in for perhaps ten more seasons as the PHX acting troupe is Locked in PHX, and therefore LOST IN BASE........
 
Claxon said:
LOST IN BASE- Wikipedia
LOST IN BASE is an American reality show created by former america west airline pilots, produced by Cat 3 Productions and Internet Trash Talk (ITT)
The show is currently in its tenth season, with possibly five more seasons planned.
Though the original series concept centered on the Army of Leonidas, many later story lines focused on a Dr. Zachary Smith like character, played by Eric Ferguson. Originally written and portrayed as an utterly evil and ruthless attorney, Eric gradually becomes the troublesome self centered, incompetent foil who provides comic relief for east pilots, and causes most of the episodes conflict and misadventures as he haplessly pursues the fleeting mirage of the Nicolau Award.
What causes the group to be LOST IN BASE is a chance encounter with east pilots, but in the first episode it is Ferguson and hapless Mitch Vasins' (2004 hires) urge to usurp the orderly and established concept of pilot seniority that sets the west pilot group on a course of perpetual legal blunders. Ferguson and Vasin are thus the keys to the story.
CAST:
Misty Winker as Penny Robinson
Mark C Doyal as Will Robinson
Susie Edwards as Dr. Maureen Robinson
Brice Le Carre as Major Dan West
Eric Ferguson as Dr. Zachary Smith
Mitch Vasin as Robot B-9
Tune in for perhaps ten more seasons as the PHX acting troupe is Locked in PHX, and therefore LOST IN BASE........
. Probably end up in syndication, those almost never ending stream of re-runs ! Heck who knows it may air right after "SKY KING" ! MM
 
Claxon said:
LOST IN BASE- Wikipedia
LOST IN BASE is an American reality show created by former america west airline pilots, produced by Cat 3 Productions and Internet Trash Talk (ITT)
The show is currently in its tenth season, with possibly five more seasons planned.
Though the original series concept centered on the Army of Leonidas, many later story lines focused on a Dr. Zachary Smith like character, played by Eric Ferguson. Originally written and portrayed as an utterly evil and ruthless attorney, Eric gradually becomes the troublesome self centered, incompetent foil who provides comic relief for east pilots, and causes most of the episodes conflict and misadventures as he haplessly pursues the fleeting mirage of the Nicolau Award.
What causes the group to be LOST IN BASE is a chance encounter with east pilots, but in the first episode it is Ferguson and hapless Mitch Vasins' (2004 hires) urge to usurp the orderly and established concept of pilot seniority that sets the west pilot group on a course of perpetual legal blunders. Ferguson and Vasin are thus the keys to the story.
CAST:
Misty Winker as Penny Robinson
Mark C Doyal as Will Robinson
Susie Edwards as Dr. Maureen Robinson
Brice Le Carre as Major Dan West
Eric Ferguson as Dr. Zachary Smith
Mitch Vasin as Robot B-9
Tune in for perhaps ten more seasons as the PHX acting troupe is Locked in PHX, and therefore LOST IN BASE........
That is just too funny!! But oh how true. LMAO!
 
Where have all the westies gone, was in PHX today only saw one tie, what's up with that. Sure miss the good old days with Snap, Move2 and our personal favorite Fodase aka the goat man.
 
Phx quote:

"Defendants, on the other hand, contend that, although MDA was a division of the mainline, there were separate agreements which governed working conditions at MDA and that, based on those separate agreements, the offer and acceptance of a position at MDA was not a recall to the mainline."

I worked for years with a different agreement than my Usapa brothers/sisters based in Phx/las.
I think I was mainline.

FA
 
Well said Mitch, give the Pickleballers some grief....


Steve-

You are so completely clueless I'm not sure there are enough hours in the day to "help" you, and moreover, I don't think you want "help" as your world simply wouldn't make any sense without the facts you've manufactured to supplant reality. Here are just a few inaccuracies from your first sentence:

1) His name is Eric Ferguson. You spelled his name incorrectly. Sorry, spell check doesn't help with last names.

2) Eric was hired in 2003. I was hired in 2004, along with several 1989 US Air hires who were on furlough (again) from US Airways and happy to have a job.

3) I am a licensed attorney in Arizona. Eric is not an attorney and has never been to law school.

4) I attended an IN-PERSON law school that is fully accredited by the American Bar Association. I graduated 3rd in my class out of 122 students while flying a full schedule, serving as a managing editor of the law review, doing an internship at the Arizona Supreme Court, and working for two years as a law clerk for a large national law firm doing federal litigation. Please feel free to discuss your education, accomplishments, and professional licenses outside aviation.

5) I had no part of forming Leonidas LLC, nor have I ever been a member, principle, or agent of the organization. I have been a financial supporter of theirs from the outset, but that is my only tie.

6) Leonidas LLC is not "for-profit" but, like all litigation funding mechanisms, does not need to go through the expense of becoming an official "non-profit" entity to avoid tax consequences. USAPA is essentially now a litigation funding mechanism, certainly not organized as a non-profit under North Carolina law.

Like I said in my earlier post, I really don't care what alternative universe you choose to live in. This process is going to continue unabated by your ignorance, and there is really not a whole lot you and your buddies can do about it except *****, whine, and make a bunch of background noise.

Also, I stand by my earlier comment about Mark King, and I think "low life" was even pretty generous. I believe you, Mark King, and other similarly minded folks have no value system, as evidenced by the constant contradictory arguments, and DECADES of stabbing each other in the back (in ALPA and even WORSE under USAPA). When the ends justify the means, there are no longer limits to behavior. Moreover, the majority of your actions of the past decade are rooted in greed, ego, anger, and spite; you're incapable of taking any responsibility for your own behavior, and when circumstances aren't to your liking, it is ALWAYS somebody else's fault. When USAPA was formed, you believed we were a bunch of inexperienced, uneducated 25-year-old RJ pilots who could NEVER hold together under the campaign of terror you had in store for us. That was a GRAVE mistake on your part. I know FOR A FACT that there were celebrations at USAPA HQ the day the RICO lawsuit was filed, with Lee Seham proudly professing that the RICO suit would put a definitive end to our legal campaign. Six weeks later the RICO lawsuit was dismissed, paid for, and shortly thereafter we brought suit against USAPA. We've had absolutely NO problem funding litigation over the past several years, and will continue to do so for as long as necessary. I firmly believe that there could NEVER be such a campaign on the East; you couldn't even hold it together after forming your own union designed to screw us and using dues monies to do it. I laugh when I think about you guys trying to fundraise for a lawsuit. There would be so many factions and splinter groups your whole effort would fall apart.

If you want to convince yourself that this is about me and a couple of hundred FOs wanting a quick upgrade, think again. If that were the case, our legal campaign would have ended before it ever began, and we would not have the uniformity of support throughout our seniority list. We enjoy that unity here because your despicable actions have offended every single pilot here to the absolute core. We believe you and many of your coworkers are underhanded, filthy, disgusting excuses for human beings, you behavior is inexcusable and reprehensible, and therefore we are prepared to do WHATEVER is necessary to end that era of tyranny. And I also have to say that we could not have done it without loudmouth half-brains like you reminding us what we are up against.

Have a nice day 🙂
 
CactusPilot1 said:
Well said Mitch, give the Pickleballers some grief....


Steve-

You are so completely clueless I'm not sure there are enough hours in the day to "help" you, and moreover, I don't think you want "help" as your world simply wouldn't make any sense without the facts you've manufactured to supplant reality. Here are just a few inaccuracies from your first sentence:

1) His name is Eric Ferguson. You spelled his name incorrectly. Sorry, spell check doesn't help with last names.

2) Eric was hired in 2003. I was hired in 2004, along with several 1989 US Air hires who were on furlough (again) from US Airways and happy to have a job.

3) I am a licensed attorney in Arizona. Eric is not an attorney and has never been to law school.

4) I attended an IN-PERSON law school that is fully accredited by the American Bar Association. I graduated 3rd in my class out of 122 students while flying a full schedule, serving as a managing editor of the law review, doing an internship at the Arizona Supreme Court, and working for two years as a law clerk for a large national law firm doing federal litigation. Please feel free to discuss your education, accomplishments, and professional licenses outside aviation.

5) I had no part of forming Leonidas LLC, nor have I ever been a member, principle, or agent of the organization. I have been a financial supporter of theirs from the outset, but that is my only tie.

6) Leonidas LLC is not "for-profit" but, like all litigation funding mechanisms, does not need to go through the expense of becoming an official "non-profit" entity to avoid tax consequences. USAPA is essentially now a litigation funding mechanism, certainly not organized as a non-profit under North Carolina law.

Like I said in my earlier post, I really don't care what alternative universe you choose to live in. This process is going to continue unabated by your ignorance, and there is really not a whole lot you and your buddies can do about it except ####, whine, and make a bunch of background noise.

Also, I stand by my earlier comment about Mark King, and I think "low life" was even pretty generous. I believe you, Mark King, and other similarly minded folks have no value system, as evidenced by the constant contradictory arguments, and DECADES of stabbing each other in the back (in ALPA and even WORSE under USAPA). When the ends justify the means, there are no longer limits to behavior. Moreover, the majority of your actions of the past decade are rooted in greed, ego, anger, and spite; you're incapable of taking any responsibility for your own behavior, and when circumstances aren't to your liking, it is ALWAYS somebody else's fault. When USAPA was formed, you believed we were a bunch of inexperienced, uneducated 25-year-old RJ pilots who could NEVER hold together under the campaign of terror you had in store for us. That was a GRAVE mistake on your part. I know FOR A FACT that there were celebrations at USAPA HQ the day the RICO lawsuit was filed, with Lee Seham proudly professing that the RICO suit would put a definitive end to our legal campaign. Six weeks later the RICO lawsuit was dismissed, paid for, and shortly thereafter we brought suit against USAPA. We've had absolutely NO problem funding litigation over the past several years, and will continue to do so for as long as necessary. I firmly believe that there could NEVER be such a campaign on the East; you couldn't even hold it together after forming your own union designed to screw us and using dues monies to do it. I laugh when I think about you guys trying to fundraise for a lawsuit. There would be so many factions and splinter groups your whole effort would fall apart.

If you want to convince yourself that this is about me and a couple of hundred FOs wanting a quick upgrade, think again. If that were the case, our legal campaign would have ended before it ever began, and we would not have the uniformity of support throughout our seniority list. We enjoy that unity here because your despicable actions have offended every single pilot here to the absolute core. We believe you and many of your coworkers are underhanded, filthy, disgusting excuses for human beings, you behavior is inexcusable and reprehensible, and therefore we are prepared to do WHATEVER is necessary to end that era of tyranny. And I also have to say that we could not have done it without loudmouth half-brains like you reminding us what we are up against.

Have a nice day 🙂
Who is "Steve"?
 
Wow, I guess Mitch has really lost his polite disposition , Isn't Mark an Air Force academy graduate? Same as one of our VIce Presidents, no value system? Oh we forgot Mitch is an attorney! MM
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
Wow, I guess Mitch has really lost his polite disposition , Isn't Mark an Air Force academy graduate? Same as one of our VIce Presidents, no value system? Oh we forgot Mitch is an attorney! MM
Is Mark still in the Pickleball Club in NC? 😉View attachment 10703
 
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