2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

Mitch and Eric are scoring big points in the APA C&R. BIG points. If I buy a tie, will it encourage them to post more?

Mitch and Eric need to pay attention to seniority. Their judges accrue seniority by date of hire.



The Judges of this Court in Order of Seniority

Updated February 2015
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Name
Initials
Status
Chambers Appt. Date
Appointed By
1. Sidney R. Thomas SRT Chief Judge Billings 01/04/96 Clinton
2. Alfred T. Goodwin ATG Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 11/30/71 Nixon
3. J. Clifford Wallace JCW Senior Circuit Judge San Diego 06/28/72 Nixon
4. Procter Hug, Jr. PRH Senior Circuit Judge Reno 09/15/77 Carter
5. Mary M. Schroeder MMS Senior Circuit Judge Phoenix 09/26/79 Carter
6. Jerome Farris JF Senior Circuit Judge Seattle 09/27/79 Carter
7. Harry Pregerson HP Circuit Judge Woodland Hills 11/02/79 Carter
8. Dorothy W. Nelson DWN Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 12/20/79 Carter
9. William C. Canby, Jr. WCC Senior Circuit Judge Phoenix 05/23/80 Carter
10. Stephen Reinhardt SR Circuit Judge Los Angeles 09/11/80 Carter

Name
Initials
Status
Chambers Appt. Date
Appointed By
11. Alex Kozinski AK Circuit Judge Pasadena 11/07/85 Reagan
12. John T. Noonan, Jr. JTN Senior Circuit Judge San Francisco 12/17/85 Reagan
13. Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain DFO Circuit Judge Portland 09/26/86 Reagan
14. Edward Leavy EL Senior Circuit Judge Portland 03/23/87 Reagan
15. Stephen S. Trott SST Senior Circuit Judge Boise 03/25/88 Reagan
16. Ferdinand F. Fernandez FFF Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 05/22/89 Bush
17. Andrew J. Kleinfeld AJK Senior Circuit Judge Fairbanks 09/16/91 Bush
18. Michael Daly Hawkins MDH Senior Circuit Judge Phoenix 09/15/94 Clinton
19. A. Wallace Tashima AWT Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 01/04/96 Clinton
20. Barry G. Silverman BGS Circuit Judge Phoenix 02/04/98 Clinton
21. Susan P. Graber SPG Circuit Judge Portland 03/19/98 Clinton

Name
Initials
Status
Chambers Appt. Date
Appointed By
22. M. Margaret McKeown MMM Circuit Judge San Diego 04/08/98 Clinton
23. Kim McLane Wardlaw KMW Circuit Judge Pasadena 08/03/98 Clinton
24. William A. Fletcher WAF Circuit Judge San Francisco 10/09/98 Clinton
25. Raymond C. Fisher RCF Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 10/12/99 Clinton
26. Ronald M. Gould RMG Circuit Judge Seattle 11/22/99 Clinton
27. Richard A. Paez RAP Circuit Judge Pasadena 03/14/00 Clinton
28. Marsha S. Berzon MSB Circuit Judge San Francisco 03/16/00 Clinton
29. Richard C. Tallman RCT Circuit Judge Seattle 05/25/00 Clinton
30. Johnnie B. Rawlinson JBR Circuit Judge Las Vegas 07/26/00 Clinton
31. Richard R. Clifton RRC Circuit Judge Honolulu 07/30/02 Bush
32. Jay S. Bybee JSB Circuit Judge Las Vegas 03/21/03 Bush
33. Consuelo M. Callahan CMC Circuit Judge Sacramento 05/28/03 Bush
34. Carlos T. Bea CTB Circuit Judge San Francisco 10/01/03 Bush
35. Milan D. Smith, Jr. MDS Circuit Judge El Segundo 05/18/06 Bush
36. Sandra S. Ikuta SSI Circuit Judge Pasadena 06/23/06 Bush
37. N. Randy Smith NRS Circuit Judge Pocatello 03/19/07 Bush
38. Mary H. Murguia MHM Circuit Judge Phoenix 01/04/11 Obama
39. Morgan Christen MBC Circuit Judge Anchorage 01/11/12 Obama
40. Jacqueline H. Nguyen JHN Circuit Judge Pasadena 05/14/12 Obama
41. Paul J. Watford PJW Circuit Judge Pasadena 05/22/12 Obama
42. Andrew D. Hurwitz ADH Circuit Judge Phoenix 06/27/12 Obama
43. John B. Owens JBO Circuit Judge San Diego 04/02/14 Obama
44. Michelle T. Friedland MTF Circuit Judge San Francisco 04/29/14 Obama

 

[CactusPilot1]

Mitch and Eric need to pay attention to seniority. Their judges accrue seniority by date of hire.



The Judges of this Court in Order of Seniority

Updated February 2015
Print version

Name
Initials
Status
Chambers Appt. Date
Appointed By
1. Sidney R. Thomas SRT Chief Judge Billings 01/04/96 Clinton
2. Alfred T. Goodwin ATG Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 11/30/71 Nixon
3. J. Clifford Wallace JCW Senior Circuit Judge San Diego 06/28/72 Nixon
4. Procter Hug, Jr. PRH Senior Circuit Judge Reno 09/15/77 Carter
5. Mary M. Schroeder MMS Senior Circuit Judge Phoenix 09/26/79 Carter
6. Jerome Farris JF Senior Circuit Judge Seattle 09/27/79 Carter
7. Harry Pregerson HP Circuit Judge Woodland Hills 11/02/79 Carter
8. Dorothy W. Nelson DWN Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 12/20/79 Carter
9. William C. Canby, Jr. WCC Senior Circuit Judge Phoenix 05/23/80 Carter
10. Stephen Reinhardt SR Circuit Judge Los Angeles 09/11/80 Carter

Name
Initials
Status
Chambers Appt. Date
Appointed By
11. Alex Kozinski AK Circuit Judge Pasadena 11/07/85 Reagan
12. John T. Noonan, Jr. JTN Senior Circuit Judge San Francisco 12/17/85 Reagan
13. Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain DFO Circuit Judge Portland 09/26/86 Reagan
14. Edward Leavy EL Senior Circuit Judge Portland 03/23/87 Reagan
15. Stephen S. Trott SST Senior Circuit Judge Boise 03/25/88 Reagan
16. Ferdinand F. Fernandez FFF Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 05/22/89 Bush
17. Andrew J. Kleinfeld AJK Senior Circuit Judge Fairbanks 09/16/91 Bush
18. Michael Daly Hawkins MDH Senior Circuit Judge Phoenix 09/15/94 Clinton
19. A. Wallace Tashima AWT Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 01/04/96 Clinton
20. Barry G. Silverman BGS Circuit Judge Phoenix 02/04/98 Clinton
21. Susan P. Graber SPG Circuit Judge Portland 03/19/98 Clinton

Name
Initials
Status
Chambers Appt. Date
Appointed By
22. M. Margaret McKeown MMM Circuit Judge San Diego 04/08/98 Clinton
23. Kim McLane Wardlaw KMW Circuit Judge Pasadena 08/03/98 Clinton
24. William A. Fletcher WAF Circuit Judge San Francisco 10/09/98 Clinton
25. Raymond C. Fisher RCF Senior Circuit Judge Pasadena 10/12/99 Clinton
26. Ronald M. Gould RMG Circuit Judge Seattle 11/22/99 Clinton
27. Richard A. Paez RAP Circuit Judge Pasadena 03/14/00 Clinton
28. Marsha S. Berzon MSB Circuit Judge San Francisco 03/16/00 Clinton
29. Richard C. Tallman RCT Circuit Judge Seattle 05/25/00 Clinton
30. Johnnie B. Rawlinson JBR Circuit Judge Las Vegas 07/26/00 Clinton
31. Richard R. Clifton RRC Circuit Judge Honolulu 07/30/02 Bush
32. Jay S. Bybee JSB Circuit Judge Las Vegas 03/21/03 Bush
33. Consuelo M. Callahan CMC Circuit Judge Sacramento 05/28/03 Bush
34. Carlos T. Bea CTB Circuit Judge San Francisco 10/01/03 Bush
35. Milan D. Smith, Jr. MDS Circuit Judge El Segundo 05/18/06 Bush
36. Sandra S. Ikuta SSI Circuit Judge Pasadena 06/23/06 Bush
37. N. Randy Smith NRS Circuit Judge Pocatello 03/19/07 Bush
38. Mary H. Murguia MHM Circuit Judge Phoenix 01/04/11 Obama
39. Morgan Christen MBC Circuit Judge Anchorage 01/11/12 Obama
40. Jacqueline H. Nguyen JHN Circuit Judge Pasadena 05/14/12 Obama
41. Paul J. Watford PJW Circuit Judge Pasadena 05/22/12 Obama
42. Andrew D. Hurwitz ADH Circuit Judge Phoenix 06/27/12 Obama
43. John B. Owens JBO Circuit Judge San Diego 04/02/14 Obama
44. Michelle T. Friedland MTF Circuit Judge San Francisco 04/29/14 Obama

 Wrong forum shorty. This is an airline forum where MB is the methodology, not DOH.

 

[nevergiveup]

How do they do it in Phoenix?

 

[EastUS1]

Claxon, on 14 Apr 2015 - 12:21 PM, said:
Mitch and Eric need to pay attention to seniority. Their judges accrue seniority by date of hire.

 Wrong forum shorty. This is an airline forum where MB is the methodology, not DOH.

 
Well then; thank goodness for that, I suppose. I mean really; while those judges clearly have no need to connive, disrespect and back-stab each other over seniority, well...what would be the possible use of an actually sane system like that for pilots, after all? Heck, just these boards alone provide ample proof of the true value of instead employing some purely infantile "It's ALL about MEEE!/What's in it for MEEE?" approach instead...Right?
 
While we're at it; care to take a few moments to fully explain all the "benefits" the pilot group or you've personally received through any insisting on relative "seniority" during this past decade alone? All those millions wasted in legal expenses as well as your sad tantrums and waay-cool-dude T-shirts and ties aside, of course?

 

[snapthis]

How do they do it in Phoenix?

It looks like you Pickleballers are nearing retirement and will have to put on those flip-flops, knee high black socks and take up shuffleboard.

 

[Claxon]

East pilots be sure to tune into the webcast tonight. This will be the 9 th live.



The Court offers video streaming of all (or almost all) arguments. You can access audio or video streams from the main page of the court website http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov. Click on one of the links under the beige-colored bar labeled Live Oral Arguments which is in the middle of the page about halfway down. The links are labeled by date, starting time and location. Streaming will usually commence a few minutes prior to the scheduled start of the proceedings.

Video and audio recordings of oral arguments also are available here: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media.


You will get a nice view of Marty or Freund. The Heart Dr. was not paid so he will not be there.

5:00 EST

 

[snapthis]

 
Favorite dodgeball target. Used skills to become an attorney.
 

 
He looks like an USAPA attorney.

 

[EastUS1]

It looks like you Pickleballers are nearing retirement ....

 
More the pity that "you'se" were/are far too greed-soaked, childish, and hopelessly short-sighted to ever factor that into your "It's ALL about MEEE!" world view then.
 
Continue to have fun in Fantasyland/PHX and don't expect to exit the amusement park anytime soon son.

 

[snapthis]

 
More the pity that "you'se" were/are far too greed-soaked, childish, and hopelessly short-sighted to ever factor that into your "It's ALL about MEEE!" world view then.

 
I've waited for this day in the 9th a long time. We'll see who gets soaked.
 

 

[EastUS1]

 
I've waited for this day in the 9th a long time. We'll see who gets soaked.
 

 
That's the spirit "spartan"....Keep waiting patiently for your miracle to magically happen. 😉

 

[snapthis]

 
That's the spirit "spartan"! Keep waiting.

 
Keep us laughing, you are great entertainment. Along with Jess and your legal team.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Keep us laughing, you are great entertainment.....

 
In that spirit Snow White; I suggest "you'se" substitute "Nic" for "prince" and this should help your day along nicely: 😉
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0niwn2pOEno

 

[Phoenix]

East pilots be sure to tune into the webcast tonight. This will be the 9 th live.
The Court offers video streaming of all (or almost all) arguments. You can access audio or video streams from the main page of the court website http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov. Click on one of the links under the beige-colored bar labeled Live Oral Arguments which is in the middle of the page about halfway down. The links are labeled by date, starting time and location. Streaming will usually commence a few minutes prior to the scheduled start of the proceedings.
Video and audio recordings of oral arguments also are available here: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media.
You will get a nice view of Marty or Freund. The Heart Dr. was not paid so he will not be there.
5:00 EST

Marty is looking out for them like a kindly grandfather breaking up a fight at the local park.

Marty was the last one to get to speak via his "Rebuttal".. Problem was he rebutted nothing at all said by anyone.. but spent instead his time crafting a vision of how the Court finally had one last chance to make everything hunkydorry.. as if the court had F-ed up all this time. I guess he was rebutting a decade of the court decisions against him (but especially the court refusing to get his legal billings paid!!).

 

[snapthis]

USAPA Pat did quite the backstroke when the tough questions started going his way and yielded to the company attorney who was more than happy to give Pat more time to sink. Pat retreated to his chair.
 
Marty made it clear that Pat was telling the West pilots one thing at the road shows and the East pilots something different. It's also clear to the judges that USAPA is decertified. Just Silver made reference to what that meant in her ruling.

 

[Black Swan]

USAPA Pat did quite the backstroke when the tough questions started going his way and yielded to the company attorney who was more than happy to give Pat more time to sink. Pat retreated to his chair.
 
Marty made it clear that Pat was telling the West pilots one thing at the road shows and the East pilots something different. It's also clear to the judges that USAPA is decertified. Just Silver made reference to what that meant in her ruling.

The attorneys for each side were pretty sad in their explanations. Siegal actually had to step in and explain the MOU. The judges obviously are going to need their clerks figure out how to decide and write their decisions. They were that clued out.
Gary Hummel, in his last of a multitude of stupid moves, failed to have Bill Wilder there. It would have been a lot different had he.