2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

 
........We think it was only a few of these facts which enlightened Captain Hale and caused him to make those statements about righting the ship. How could anyone not see the unfairness? Ultimately it appears he could not (or would not) do anything about it. We're sure his bosses would paint PHX as merely disgruntled due to our unfortunate circumstances and they would claim those circumstances are simply the result of rational business decisions. Frankly, West pilot feel entirely betrayed by our former AWA corporate leaders who have risen to the top of the industry while allowing their faithful employees to sink to the bottom, having never enjoyed any benefit from the prior merger.


Too bad for PHX, but the more important point for all pilots is to note the reason for the West pilots' situation is because senior management had the sole discretion to make it that way: On one hand it claimed to have the unilateral power to impose the East's bankruptcy contract on all US Airways pilots (thus triggering integrated operations under the arbitrated seniority list), but on the other hand it could choose to delay implementation by explaining to West pilots and several federal judges that implementation of the arbitrated seniority list first required the negotiation of a single contract- with USAPA- that would cover all pilots. In the interim, management made those choices which led to total stagnation for the West, yet also resulted in all new flying, pilots, and progress flowing East while the company saved money with the rock-bottom wages of those pilots. The only terms that saved the West from outright elimination were the concrete fleet and block-hour minimums contained in the Transition Agreement (though the company violated the block-hour minimums anyway). Overlay our current situation on the background above and you can see why our concern over the possibility that management could be maneuvering itself into the exact same position to again pit pilots against each other (only this time with three groups) and be able to pick the winners and losers to its advantage and beyond control of the APA should be your concern too.


The pilots of New American are beginning realize who they are really dealing with when the new company declined to negotiate a contract that was truly equal to or better than Delta's (with our lack of profit sharing, calendar day duty rigs, our higher medical costs, and inferior sick and LTD programs). In addition, the company's slowness to implement many of the more beneficial terms of the JCBA across the entire system has already resulted in multiple grievances. The company's recent and unilateral interpretation of FAR 117 (over the protest of APA and in violation of our contract) in which it asserts the right to convert you from a scheduled deadhead to a live leg at its discretion is the latest example of reality as contrasted with what APA thought it signed up for in supporting this merger and senior management team. The real point is this: You cannot depend on any assurances that you will be treated fairly or equitably and APA must make every effort to ensure the sort of whipsawing tacitly approved by USAPA while it represented West pilots is never allowed to happen within our ranks. APA cannot be too guarded or demanding of fair and equitable treatment for all pilots it represents and, we believe, demand full implementation of the integrated seniority list concurrent with the first bid following its issuance in order to protect against the sort of disparate treatment this management team has taken advantage of over the last decade."


Sincerely,


John and Eric

john scherff and eric ferguson, phx reps.
 
scherff was a management pilot that handed over to the grease ball 2003 hire eric fergottenson east personal and sensitive employee information.  schrfeff was a management pilot who went to a company phx computer with a memory stick and handed it over to the army of lyingitas leader, ferguson.  elitist eberwine was told by russ to ok it.
 
bada bing, bada boom.

 

[AWE Dog]

Let the protections expire and then determine that PHX is overstaffed by 1587 pilots.

 

[Claxon]

 
Russ Webber
I am extremely disappointed in the DOJ's attempt to block the merger between Us Airways and American Airlines.

I never thought that my party would do something that would have such drastic negative affects on my family's income.

If this merger is not allowed to be consummated the long term viability of US Airways is in real doubt. That leaves a weak AA unable to effectively compete with the two mega carriers, while the potential for those two carriers to " get along to get along" is very real.

Allowing the merger to occur ensures a robust American Airlines that will be much more able to compete and hence keep prices in check for the consumer, while keeping over 100,000.0 people employed nation wide with well paying jobs.

At a time when the economy is hardly thriving I find it stunning that the DOJ, with your help,would do anything that might impact a single job,let alone thousands.

The mid term elections are coming up and this one issue will be on the minds of the over 100,000.0 union and non union employees alike and will certainly play a part in how we vote.

Please negotiate a fair compromise so my family can breath and the merger can be completed.

Regards
Russ Webber
2 · August 20, 2013 at 10:32am. 

https://www.facebook.com/TexasAttorneyGeneral/posts/713371275346787
 
Is russ ok? russ sounded a little down last year because he wanted his family to breath.
 
Unlike the east pilots for many years before brother russ's concerns.  If you wear an amr tie or lanyard or any apa paraphernalia, you are providing lubricant for the company and apa.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 If that happens this could be tied up in the courts for a while.

 
Of course it will.  I can see lawsuits coming from multiple directions no matter how the SLI goes.  No need to put fences in; these pilot groups will be de facto "fenced" by lawsuits for years.

 

[luvthe9]

EC, CP1 or Snap, Please tell us all who was responsible for the fatal mistake at Wye River that has ruined the careers of so many west pilots, you never answer that when asked.




"Yes, the East offered the NIC.".......,...."Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"


"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."




So again, who made that fateful decision from which there will be no recovery.? Your pilot group deserves an answer!!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

john scherff and eric ferguson, phx reps.
 
scherff was a management pilot that handed over to the grease ball 2003 hire eric fergottenson east personal and sensitive employee information.  schrfeff was a management pilot who went to a company phx computer with a memory stick and handed it over to the army of lyingitas leader, ferguson.  elitist eberwine was told by russ to ok it.
 
bada bing, bada boom.

. Hey now who is the PHX Base Manager,? seems hilarious after reading that update, my guess they will sell liberty ID lanyards next only to be told it is ok!

 

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The memo is out. Your PHX pilot mgt team has nicely asked you to take off the ties.
You have been afforded the new Unity Tie. AAL senior flight operations is sick and tired of the fanatics and their bastardization of the Statue of Liberty for the intention of a seniority land grab. The Leonidas Tie is now another discarded relic of america west.

I haven't seen the memo on this.  Do you have it??  Can you still wear a patriotic tie?

 

[luvthe9]

I haven't seen the memo on this.  Do you have it??  Can you still wear a patriotic tie?

From the memo...........

"There is a growing number of noncompliant uniform items being worn and/or displayed by pilots. Keep in mind that only American Airlines lanyards and US Airways hardware is approved at this time.

Thank you for your cooperation. Please contact your Chief Pilot with any questions."




This is from the PHX Chief Pilot addressed to ALL PHX pilots.

 

[EastUS1]

Phoenix Domicile Update for April 25, 2015

ONE YEAR AGO LAST WEEK...

....... It was a time of high hopes for our pilots who were looking for a positive cultural change in the wake of the newly consummated merger and the resumption of positive career progression (as opposed to regression) at the new carrier. It is no secret that we had long felt oppressed.....



Lastly, although it is extremely important to go through the proper process of integrating seniority lists, dragging seniority integration out for an unnecessarily long period of time is not in anyones best interest.


........ After having been lulled into supporting Doug Parker and his 2005 merger with US Airways, West pilots felt utterly betrayed when these inequitable furloughs were announced, especially after having seen their careers instantly stagnate (contrary to the representations made to them and their pre-merger expectations) and watching LUS East pilots experience an unprecedented rebound (including the addition of a new fleet type and new flying West pilots were supposed to share fairly and equitably yet are still deprived of). ....


 Many East pilots pledged to toil under LOA 93 forever rather than live one single day under the Nicolau Award. It was at this point that USAPA's strategy aligned with management's goal of extremely low costs.
In April 2008, because East pilots outnumbered the West pilots two-to-one, USAPA won the representational election over ALPA and became the collective bargaining agent for all US Airways pilots.

John and Eric

 
"....... It was a time of high hopes for our pilots who were looking for a positive cultural change in the wake of the newly consummated merger...."  Seriously?...Even with the same people in charge that you already knew from AWA? Whew! I've known 8-10 year old children that weren't even nearly THAT naive.  "........ After having been lulled into supporting Doug Parker..." Seems P.T. Barnum was right: "There's a Sucker born every minute." What's your point?
 
"It is no secret that we had long felt oppressed....." Seriously kids?..."oppressed" even throughout all the years of "Ho ho ho! St Nic is coming to town!"/"The nic will be crammed down your throats!" and of course; "You can live on LOA93 forever!"..."oppressed"? Really? (I've long-wondered just where you send your drama queens to study their art).  I think best not to even dwell long on all "you'se" delusional children that arrogantly posted how they were forever on the imminent brink of displacing the east pilots from all the larger aircraft.... I'd best not even imagine all the horrors long-suffered in "Sparta", lest there could actually be tears flowing here.
 
"Lastly, although it is extremely important to go through the proper process of integrating seniority lists, dragging seniority integration out for an unnecessarily long period of time is not in anyones best interest." Umm...By "anyone's" you clearly mean exclusively anyone in PHX, one must suppose, since none are whining anywhere else, nor seem to even much care how long any of this takes. Why should either the APA or the east be the least bit upset by any/all delays, unless of course you strangely fantasize some all-consuming, passionate desire to eagerly welcome "spartans" into the fold anywhere? Seriously; exactly what resources in PHX can you even imagine all others to be lusting after?
 
"Many East pilots pledged to toil under LOA 93 forever rather than live one single day under the Nicolau Award." perhaps "you'se" should have actually listened to that and thus better understood your actual situation instead of supplying countless, arrogant fools posting bragging observations on the then disparate pay rates and taunts of "Then you can live on LOA93 forever!", how "karma" will play into all this, etc/ad nauseam... no?

 

[EastUS1]

 
Of course it will.  I can see lawsuits coming from multiple directions no matter how the SLI goes.  No need to put fences in; these pilot groups will be de facto "fenced" by lawsuits for years.

 
Based on results so far; I'd not be the least bit surprised by that.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

"....... It was a time of high hopes for our pilots who were looking for a positive cultural change in the wake of the newly consummated merger...."  Seriously?...Even with the same people in charge that you already knew from AWA? Whew! I've known 8-10 year old children that weren't even nearly THAT naive.  "........ After having been lulled into supporting Doug Parker..." Seems P.T. Barnum was right: "There's a Sucker born every minute." What's your point?
 
"It is no secret that we had long felt oppressed....." Seriously kids?..."oppressed" even throughout all the years of "Ho ho ho! St Nic is coming to town!"/"The nic will be crammed down your throats!" and of course; "You can live on LOA93 forever!"..."oppressed"? Really? (I've long-wondered just where you send your drama queens to study their art).  I think best not to even dwell long on all "you'se" delusional children that arrogantly posted how they were forever on the imminent brink of displacing the east pilots from all the larger aircraft.... I'd best not even imagine all the horrors long-suffered in "Sparta", lest there could actually be tears flowing here.
 
"Lastly, although it is extremely important to go through the proper process of integrating seniority lists, dragging seniority integration out for an unnecessarily long period of time is not in anyones best interest." Umm...By "anyone's" you clearly mean exclusively anyone in PHX, one must suppose, since none are whining anywhere else, nor seem to even much care how long any of this takes. Why should either the APA or the east be the least bit upset by any/all delays, unless of course you strangely fantasize some all-consuming, passionate desire to eagerly welcome "spartans" into the fold anywhere? Seriously; exactly what resources in PHX can you even imagine all others to be lusting after?
 
"Many East pilots pledged to toil under LOA 93 forever rather than live one single day under the Nicolau Award." perhaps "you'se" should have actually listened to that and thus better understood your actual situation instead of supplying countless, arrogant fools posting bragging observations on the then disparate pay rates and taunts of "Then you can live on LOA93 forever!", how "karma" will play into all this, etc/ad nauseam... no?

. Hilarious, but I think you forgot to add, like Marty pointing it out many times even to the 9th, that is not how they represented it! Hey guess it is true the west x-box gen really can't read or comprehend something they overwhelmingly vote for then claim they have been misled, priceless! MM BTW I believe Koontz is the new PHX base manager, now is not he an AOL upper tier member ? On a side note any reviews on last weeks TWA pilots in court in NY?

 

[end_of_alpa]

 
"....... It was a time of high hopes for our pilots who were looking for a positive cultural change in the wake of the newly consummated merger...."  Seriously?...Even with the same people in charge that you already knew from AWA? Whew! I've known 8-10 year old children that weren't even nearly THAT naive.  "........ After having been lulled into supporting Doug Parker..." Seems P.T. Barnum was right: "There's a Sucker born every minute." What's your point?
 
"It is no secret that we had long felt oppressed....." Seriously kids?..."oppressed" even throughout all the years of "Ho ho ho! St Nic is coming to town!"/"The nic will be crammed down your throats!" and of course; "You can live on LOA93 forever!"..."oppressed"? Really? (I've long-wondered just where you send your drama queens to study their art).  I think best not to even dwell long on all "you'se" delusional children that arrogantly posted how they were forever on the imminent brink of displacing the east pilots from all the larger aircraft.... I'd best not even imagine all the horrors long-suffered in "Sparta", lest there could actually be tears flowing here.
 
"Lastly, although it is extremely important to go through the proper process of integrating seniority lists, dragging seniority integration out for an unnecessarily long period of time is not in anyones best interest." Umm...By "anyone's" you clearly mean exclusively anyone in PHX, one must suppose, since none are whining anywhere else, nor seem to even much care how long any of this takes. Why should either the APA or the east be the least bit upset by any/all delays, unless of course you strangely fantasize some all-consuming, passionate desire to eagerly welcome "spartans" into the fold anywhere? Seriously; exactly what resources in PHX can you even imagine all others to be lusting after?
 
"Many East pilots pledged to toil under LOA 93 forever rather than live one single day under the Nicolau Award." perhaps "you'se" should have actually listened to that and thus better understood your actual situation instead of supplying countless, arrogant fools posting bragging observations on the then disparate pay rates and taunts of "Then you can live on LOA93 forever!", how "karma" will play into all this, etc/ad nauseam... no?

And don't forget the "SCAB" word.

 

[FL430]

"....... It was a time of high hopes for our pilots who were looking for a positive cultural change in the wake of the newly consummated merger...."  Seriously?...Even with the same people in charge that you already knew from AWA? Whew! I've known 8-10 year old children that weren't even nearly THAT naive.  "........ After having been lulled into supporting Doug Parker..." Seems P.T. Barnum was right: "There's a Sucker born every minute." What's your point?
 
"It is no secret that we had long felt oppressed....." Seriously kids?..."oppressed" even throughout all the years of "Ho ho ho! St Nic is coming to town!"/"The nic will be crammed down your throats!" and of course; "You can live on LOA93 forever!"..."oppressed"? Really? (I've long-wondered just where you send your drama queens to study their art).  I think best not to even dwell long on all "you'se" delusional children that arrogantly posted how they were forever on the imminent brink of displacing the east pilots from all the larger aircraft.... I'd best not even imagine all the horrors long-suffered in "Sparta", lest there could actually be tears flowing here.
 
"Lastly, although it is extremely important to go through the proper process of integrating seniority lists, dragging seniority integration out for an unnecessarily long period of time is not in anyones best interest." Umm...By "anyone's" you clearly mean exclusively anyone in PHX, one must suppose, since none are whining anywhere else, nor seem to even much care how long any of this takes. Why should either the APA or the east be the least bit upset by any/all delays, unless of course you strangely fantasize some all-consuming, passionate desire to eagerly welcome "spartans" into the fold anywhere? Seriously; exactly what resources in PHX can you even imagine all others to be lusting after?
 
"Many East pilots pledged to toil under LOA 93 forever rather than live one single day under the Nicolau Award." perhaps "you'se" should have actually listened to that and thus better understood your actual situation instead of supplying countless, arrogant fools posting bragging observations on the then disparate pay rates and taunts of "Then you can live on LOA93 forever!", how "karma" will play into all this, etc/ad nauseam... no?

^^^^^^^^^^^


Very well put; now what happened to all the Spartan faithful - NIC4us , resjudica, fodase, and our precious little princess prechill? Oh yea, and my favorite of all time Nicelandingcaptain?
Speaking of arrogant fools.........

 

[luvthe9]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Very well put; now what happened to all the Spartan faithful - NIC4us , resjudica, fodase, and our precious little princess prechill? Oh yea, and my favorite of all time Nicelandingcaptain?
Speaking of arrogant fools.........

Maybe reality is finally setting in. Captain Hales little talk might have made them seen the light, I think the company has had enough of the little AOL group.

 

[traderjake]

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GQ nailed it.