2015 Pilot Discussion.

[usabusdriver]

 

So right, it was approximately 26% of our flying we turned over to them to keep them profitable.............such an ungrateful group they are.

 

 
I would hardly say it that way: "we turned over to them."
 
I think AWE Dog said it much better: "stolen from the east."
 
Not that the westicles actually did the stealing.  They never had that power.  It was the Tempe Brain Trust that essentially "robbed Peter to pay Paul."  And "Paul" was paid handsomely by escaping hundreds of furloughs that should have come their way absent the robbery.

 
So, if the east gave up 26% of its flying to the west, how many east pilots were furloughed?
 
Please think before making such absurd statements.

 

[usabusdriver]

I watched the video of the hearing. Interesting arguments by all. If you give Marty Harper and the West what they want, you might as well pack up the USAPA Merger Committee and tell them to go home. If the NIC is the only list that can be used, then what is the point of them being there?
I also thought it interesting the referral to the NIC list, with modifications, made by Mr. Harper. What modifications?

 
Driver,
 
I too was curious about that comment.  I thought about it and speculate that what it means is that since the Nic is almost 8 years old they intend to do a "reconciliation" to make it current.  Who knows?

 

[FL430]

So, if the east gave up 26% of its flying to the west, how many east pilots were furloughed?
 
Please think before making such absurd statements.

None, in fact the east has hired pilots, including bringing some furloughed west pilots east.
Why you ask?
Because the east:
Retired more pilots.
Expanded destinations and frequencies.
Added international destinations and aircraft (A330) , many of which require 3 and 4 crewmembers.
Had to adapt for FAR 117 ( increase of pilot headcount).

Maybe it is you that needs to take your own advice, no? Think.

 

[FL430]

You guys are thick as thieves!
 
Nothing new has been said here for years.
 
You left out:
 
luvthe9 declares victory and in the same post begs the West to quit  fighting
 
Claxon posts a 10 year old document or twenty year old video

Nothing new? There was a merger. Go buy a tv and try and keep up with the news.

 

[luvthe9]

So, if the east gave up 26% of its flying to the west, how many east pilots were furloughed?
 
Please think before making such absurd statements.

Sorry you locked yourself in PHX for years to come, don't blame us blame your little Cacti 18 idiots.



Best advice for you son, get over it.

 

[AWE Dog]

So, if the east gave up 26% of its flying to the west, how many east pilots were furloughed?
 
Please think before making such absurd statements.[/quote You west pilots should put this person on your merger committee, they are sharp. /S

 

[EastCheats]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Say what? Your post is a mess.

 

[EastCheats]

Nothing new? There was a merger. Go buy a tv and try and keep up with the news.

There is a riot out East. Nothing new 😉

 

[Claxon]

The west is on the apa board lamenting on their stagnation.  west is inferring law suits and lack of cohesiveness in the future. They are getting no sympathy from the legacy AA pilots.
 
Figure it out yet west?  Your choice, ass imilate or stagnate. 
 
west pilot talking to his shrink about how the yellow lanyards East pilots adorned in defiance to management made him sad, in the video link below.  (borrowed from an APA message board post by a legacy AA pilot after reading the west mantra.)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEbzM2FUP9s

 

[luvthe9]

. They are getting no sympathy from the legacy AA pilots.
 
Figure it out yet west?  Your choice, ass imilate or stagnate. 
 

The westies will get as much sympathy as the TWA, Air Cal and Reno guys did.


NIC or nothing, they got want they wanted, get over it!

 

[Claxon]

Driver,
 
I too was curious about that comment.  I thought about it and speculate that what it means is that since the Nic is almost 8 years old they intend to do a "reconciliation" to make it current.  Who knows?

No JCBA, no Nicolau Award. Just like you need a marriage in order to have a divorce settlement.


In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby

 

[EastCheats]

No JCBA, no Nicolau Award. Just like you need a marriage in order to have a divorce settlement.
In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.
And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."
Scott Kirby

It's nice to know rather than working on a joint contract you chose to stay on bankruptcy wages and play right into Kirby's hands. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

It's nice to know rather than working on a joint contract you chose to stay on bankruptcy wages and play right into Kirby's hands. 😉

 
As more gleefully and mindlessly did the west/PHX/"Spartans" ("Then you can live on LOA93 forever!")  The lasting and true "benefits" of your group's incredibly short-sighted and ultimately self-defeating stupidity in even that regard is now easily and clearly seen, and said historical wages are no longer relevant. Seriously: What's your "point" kid? Both "sides" are now paid at the same rates, but PHX suffers far fewer numbers of larger aircraft.
 
Congrats on your great "success" thus far, as wel as your fully demonstrated "brilliance" overall. Have fun vainly searching for crumbs in PHX for a long time yet to come.
 
Before proceeding any further: Yeah, yeah...We all fully get that "you'se" have been "unfairly"...umm..."oppressed", even despite your obviously "righteous" postion, and that some fantasy still exists within PHX that anyone but your own mothers do, or even should actually care. Good luck with that and any/all "spartan" fantasies ever working out for "you'se".
 
The real world often offers some rather unpleasantly harsh and even deadly-sharp edges/corners to the human experience. "You'se" crossed over into even the very gentlest portions of those by "righteously" demanding your new hires be magically made instantly "senior" to "fellow pilots" with as much as 17 more worked-years.  Some actually decent people elsewhere took fully proper exception to that and acted accordingly. Is it even reasonably possible to at all imagine that "you'se" honestly expected your childish BS to go unchallenged?
 
Cry and whine yourself to sleep at night however much you want.
 
Option B? = Grow Up.

 

[N924PS]

As more gleefully and mindlessly did the west/PHX/"Spartans" ("Then you can live on LOA93 forever!")  The lasting and true "benefits" of your group's incredibly short-sighted and ultimately self-defeating stupidity in even that regard is now easily and clearly seen, and said historical wages are no longer relevant. Seriously: What's your "point" kid? Both "sides" are now paid at the same rates, but PHX suffers far fewer numbers of larger aircraft.
 
Congrats on your great "success" thus far, as wel as your fully demonstrated "brilliance" overall. Have fun vainly searching for crumbs in PHX for a long time yet to come.
 
Before proceeding any further: Yeah, yeah...We all fully get that "you'se" have been "unfairly"...umm..."oppressed", even despite your obviously "righteous" postion, and that some fantasy still exists within PHX that anyone but your own mothers do, or even should actually care. Good luck with that and any/all "spartan" fantasies ever working out for "you'se".
 
Option B? = Grow Up.

7862.....

 

[EastUS1]

7862.....

 
You're apparently just too stupid to form actual words/sentences perhaps?
 
No matter. Without even possible doubt; the world will hold it's collective breath while awaiting your next-posted "thought"...... 😉