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Originally Posted by Rodney
Mark Doyal's story is unlikely. He claims:
"The polygraph exam was next, August 7, 1996, in San Antonio, Texas. I knew I had nothing to worry about, since I had never violated the FBI's drug policy and I had not lied on my application. The agent administering the polygraph noted during the pre-polygraph interview that I had attended a university that he believed was a 'party school' and that I needed to tell him what drugs I used when I went there. I stated that I had taken none, that I didn't live on campus, I lived in another city, and that I was an older student and wasn't influenced to do such things. He repeated that that couldn't be the case and told me again to tell him what illegal drugs I had done. I countered again that that just wasn't the case and that I was telling the truth. This went back and forth for about 10 minutes and he seemed to be getting upset that I wouldn't admit to taking drugs. Finally he stated that if I was lying he was about to find out. I was upset at the unbelievable accusations he was making. Up until that point I had been treated with the utmost professionalism by the FBI staff, now I was being treated like an accused criminal. After the polygraph was over, he told me I had failed. I almost passed out in disbelief.
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So, I suspect that there is far more to the story than Doyal is admitting. However, in the unlikely event that his story is accurate, it would indicate a highly flawed FBI process, as opposed to the polygraph itself being flawed.
I'll go one step further, Doyal's story is total make-believe. Sure, this is how its done on TV...but anyone that has been through the process knows just how false this story is.
Originally Posted by Rodney
Mark Doyal's story is unlikely. He claims:
"The polygraph exam was next, August 7, 1996, in San Antonio, Texas. I knew I had nothing to worry about, since I had never violated the FBI's drug policy and I had not lied on my application. The agent administering the polygraph noted during the pre-polygraph interview that I had attended a university that he believed was a 'party school' and that I needed to tell him what drugs I used when I went there. I stated that I had taken none, that I didn't live on campus, I lived in another city, and that I was an older student and wasn't influenced to do such things. He repeated that that couldn't be the case and told me again to tell him what illegal drugs I had done. I countered again that that just wasn't the case and that I was telling the truth. This went back and forth for about 10 minutes and he seemed to be getting upset that I wouldn't admit to taking drugs. Finally he stated that if I was lying he was about to find out. I was upset at the unbelievable accusations he was making. Up until that point I had been treated with the utmost professionalism by the FBI staff, now I was being treated like an accused criminal. After the polygraph was over, he told me I had failed. I almost passed out in disbelief.
<snip>
So, I suspect that there is far more to the story than Doyal is admitting. However, in the unlikely event that his story is accurate, it would indicate a highly flawed FBI process, as opposed to the polygraph itself being flawed.
I'll go one step further, Doyal's story is total make-believe. Sure, this is how its done on TV...but anyone that has been through the process knows just how false this story is.
United States Court of Appeals,Fourth Circuit.
US AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. AWAPPA, LLC; John McIlvenna; Mitch Vasin; Peter Blandino; Eric Ferguson; Jeff Koontz; Russ Payne; Keith Krueger; Eric Auxier; Christopher Cundari; Jack Tooke; David Braid; Robert J. Narloch; Bruce A. Hannah; Ron Gabaldon; Shawn Metzker; Jurie Maree; John Does 1-100; Al Casby; Jeff Abbott; Mark Doyal; Larry Diehl; Steve Trimmer; CJ Szmal; Joe Heil; Kevin Steele, Defendants-Appellees.
No. 08-1858.
Decided: July 30, 2010
US AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. AWAPPA, LLC; John McIlvenna; Mitch Vasin; Peter Blandino; Eric Ferguson; Jeff Koontz; Russ Payne; Keith Krueger; Eric Auxier; Christopher Cundari; Jack Tooke; David Braid; Robert J. Narloch; Bruce A. Hannah; Ron Gabaldon; Shawn Metzker; Jurie Maree; John Does 1-100; Al Casby; Jeff Abbott; Mark Doyal; Larry Diehl; Steve Trimmer; CJ Szmal; Joe Heil; Kevin Steele, Defendants-Appellees.
No. 08-1858.
Decided: July 30, 2010
"Defendant Auxier’s postings on the AWAPPA Web Board end with the
message, “Have you called 877-678-7272 25 times today???”
"Upon information and belief, on April 28, 2008, defendant Auxier posted
the following message on the AWAPPA Web Board:
Hey, the UAL guys have the balls to deny the Eastholes, the least we can
do is follow suit. They are the pariahs of the industry, and frankly I think
it IS unsafe to have them on our jumps. They’ve made their bed, now they
get to lie in it. Plus – damn good point – they would be quicker than a
hard up Fed to bust us for the slightest infraction. Nuff said. I’m on board
– just itching to deny one to his face!"
message, “Have you called 877-678-7272 25 times today???”
"Upon information and belief, on April 28, 2008, defendant Auxier posted
the following message on the AWAPPA Web Board:
Hey, the UAL guys have the balls to deny the Eastholes, the least we can
do is follow suit. They are the pariahs of the industry, and frankly I think
it IS unsafe to have them on our jumps. They’ve made their bed, now they
get to lie in it. Plus – damn good point – they would be quicker than a
hard up Fed to bust us for the slightest infraction. Nuff said. I’m on board
– just itching to deny one to his face!"
Gentlemen:
Please excuse an arguably weary old man's "short-timer" airline perspective, but methinks further wasting so much as a single thought or even half a heartbeat on the whole AWA/"spartan" thing's a complete waste of your time. Consider the obvious misery such sorry cretins must swim about within their daily "lives" as full satisfaction. Kindly recall my universally posted aerial wager/challenge to them for years, without EVER receiving so much as even a single acceptance from any among their mighty "Army". We've over 7 billion people alive today on our earth, so there's no real sense in even acknowledging the least worthy among them when there's far better things to do, and interacting with those around you that are actually worth something is one. We're all only here for a very short time and I'll guarantee that even if offered 1,2,3/whatever million+ dollars to somehow magically do so that you would NEVER change "lives" with such pathetic sorts as "Cap'n Aux"/etc, so simply fly safe and "Live Long and Prosper" instead Brothers. The victory was had and was/is properly yours. Bottom Line: Those pitiful fools aren't even worth your giving the time of day to or at all wasting so much as a single breath on. Best wishes for many good years ahead and Blue Skies sirs. 😉
P.S. I fully understand their entertainment/chuckles/etc value, as well as any residual anger you might yet hold for all their mindless "The nic will be crammed down your throats!"/"This is Sparta!"/etc infantile BS over the years....But they've proved themselves purely pathetic, been soundly defeated, and all have apparently-and-forever scurried off to their nearest "Safe Space" anyway. I rather suspect that in the same way my aerial wager never found acceptance in PHX/"Sparta"; further efforts at provoking even internet responses from the kind of "kids" that inevitably and always "cried and ran to the teacher" on playgrounds will prove equally fruitless for you gentlemen...Just sayin'....
Please excuse an arguably weary old man's "short-timer" airline perspective, but methinks further wasting so much as a single thought or even half a heartbeat on the whole AWA/"spartan" thing's a complete waste of your time. Consider the obvious misery such sorry cretins must swim about within their daily "lives" as full satisfaction. Kindly recall my universally posted aerial wager/challenge to them for years, without EVER receiving so much as even a single acceptance from any among their mighty "Army". We've over 7 billion people alive today on our earth, so there's no real sense in even acknowledging the least worthy among them when there's far better things to do, and interacting with those around you that are actually worth something is one. We're all only here for a very short time and I'll guarantee that even if offered 1,2,3/whatever million+ dollars to somehow magically do so that you would NEVER change "lives" with such pathetic sorts as "Cap'n Aux"/etc, so simply fly safe and "Live Long and Prosper" instead Brothers. The victory was had and was/is properly yours. Bottom Line: Those pitiful fools aren't even worth your giving the time of day to or at all wasting so much as a single breath on. Best wishes for many good years ahead and Blue Skies sirs. 😉
P.S. I fully understand their entertainment/chuckles/etc value, as well as any residual anger you might yet hold for all their mindless "The nic will be crammed down your throats!"/"This is Sparta!"/etc infantile BS over the years....But they've proved themselves purely pathetic, been soundly defeated, and all have apparently-and-forever scurried off to their nearest "Safe Space" anyway. I rather suspect that in the same way my aerial wager never found acceptance in PHX/"Sparta"; further efforts at provoking even internet responses from the kind of "kids" that inevitably and always "cried and ran to the teacher" on playgrounds will prove equally fruitless for you gentlemen...Just sayin'....
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