2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Black Swan]

The Regional pilots refer to it as the lost decade. No movement for ten yrs after 9-11
The regionals took full advantage and lowered the pay to as low as they could possibly take it. I personally spoke with many kids who opted to be FAA controllers, or any other job rather than take an $18k position.
See, it takes years and about 100k to get the ratings and education needed. It made no sense to lay out that money for that little return.
Now, there are no pilots to fly all the regional jets management bought to break the mainline labor force. The regional pilots now get triple pay very often, as a lure to maintain schedule.
There still are not enough pilots out there to staff the regionals.
I find it all very amusing, as management was too short sighted to see it coming. Too bad.

 

[dariencc]

See, it takes years and about 100k to get the ratings and education needed. It made no sense to lay out that money for that little return.
Now, there are no pilots to fly all the regional jets management bought to break the mainline labor force. The regional pilots now get triple pay very often, as a lure to maintain schedule.
There still are not enough pilots out there to staff the regionals.
I find it all very amusing, as management was too short sighted to see it coming. Too bad.

Dougie and the other industry execs raised their pay to obscene levels as they celebrated their success in beating down labor. Now that the wheels are coming off the train they created, they will not be taking pay cuts.

Btw, here is an interesting fact. Doug is still drinking.

 

[CAVOK]

Think the FAA raising the flight hour requirements (250 to 1500) to qualify for a commercial pilots license might have something to do with that?

What they managed to do is cut new pilots out and benefit the ones already in the system.

Higher limits for 121 carriers cockpit new hires most certainly was not done for the benefits of pilots "already in the system". It was done by the FAA and the NTSB to ensure public safety. They could care less about pilot seniority and pay for those "already in the system".

Also the change was not to qualify for a commercial pilot license. That remains at 250 hours. The change was:

"The rule requires first officers — also known as co-pilots — to hold an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate, requiring 1,500 hours total time as a pilot. Previously, first officers were required to have only a commercial pilot certificate, which requires 250 hours of flight time."

- https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=14838

Marginal carriers like Mesa were putting seat filler new hire pilots in the right seat of regional aircraft with extremely low time and paying food stamp qualifying pay and benefits to the detriment of public safety. Most trunk carriers were already hiring qualified pilots.

But thank you for your input.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Higher limits for 121 carriers cockpit new hires most certainly was not done for the benefits of pilots "already in the system". It was done by the FAA and the NTSB to ensure public safety. They could care less about pilot seniority and pay for those "already in the system".

Don't paint a false narrative. I never said it was done for that purpose. I only said that was the result of the decision.

Think the FAA raising the flight hour requirements (250 to 1500) to qualify for a commercial pilots license might have something to do with that?

What they managed to do is cut new pilots out and benefit the ones already in the system.

Also the change was not to qualify for a commercial pilot license. That remains at 250 hours. The change was:

"The rule requires first officers — also known as co-pilots — to hold an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate, requiring 1,500 hours total time as a pilot. Previously, first officers were required to have only a commercial pilot certificate, which requires 250 hours of flight time."

- https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=14838

Marginal carriers like Mesa were putting seat filler new hire pilots in the right seat of regional aircraft with extremely low time and paying food stamp qualifying pay and benefits to the detriment of public safety. Most trunk carriers were already hiring qualified pilots.

But thank you for your input.

What I read paints a bit of a different picture.

http://fortune.com/2016/09/02/faa-regulations-copilot/

On Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported that military pilots with a minimum of 500 hours of flying experience could be commercial co-pilots. This is compared to the normal 750 hours U.S. airlines require, and is significantly lower than the minimum of 1,500 hours required for non-military pilots.

As for co-pilots who do not have military backgrounds, they would still need the required 1,500 hours of total flight time to be eligible for hiring.
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http://thehill.com/policy/transport...-pilot-qualification-rules-after-asiana-crash


The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced Wednesday it would require pilots to have 1,500 hours of flight training before they could fly a commercial airplane. 
[WATCH VIDEO]

The new threshold is a huge jump from the 250 flight hours previously required, and was ordered just days after the crash of an Asiana Airlines flight in San Francisco that killed two people and injured more than 180.

Can you explain your point of view a bit better so that I may understand your point better.

From what I see the barrier to fly a commercial aircraft was significantly raised and made cost prohibitive. That is why there is a shortage of pilots right now.

 

[EastUS1]

Don't paint a false narrative. I never said it was done for that purpose. I only said that was the result of the decision.




What I read paints a bit of a different picture.

http://fortune.com/2016/09/02/faa-regulations-copilot/

On Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported that military pilots with a minimum of 500 hours of flying experience could be commercial co-pilots. This is compared to the normal 750 hours U.S. airlines require, and is significantly lower than the minimum of 1,500 hours required for non-military pilots.

As for co-pilots who do not have military backgrounds, they would still need the required 1,500 hours of total flight time to be eligible for hiring.
____________________________________________________________________________

http://thehill.com/policy/transport...-pilot-qualification-rules-after-asiana-crash


The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced Wednesday it would require pilots to have 1,500 hours of flight training before they could fly a commercial airplane. 
[WATCH VIDEO]

The new threshold is a huge jump from the 250 flight hours previously required, and was ordered just days after the crash of an Asiana Airlines flight in San Francisco that killed two people and injured more than 180.

Can you explain your point of view a bit better so that I may understand your point better.

From what I see the barrier to fly a commercial aircraft was significantly raised and made cost prohibitive. That is why there is a shortage of pilots right now.

For at least the last forty years business schools have largely focused students' attention on the fairly short term world view. See listings under: "How can I become a major-league, promotion-worthy STAR with stock options this very next quarter, if not yesterday/today/right NOW already?" The FAA too often functions as a "tomb stone" observer which reacts, rather than prevents, and the obvious lack of enough corporate concern for future staffing, (or "future" at all) coupled with an equally evident lack of "buying" sufficient quantities of Senator Suckabucks and Congressmen Can-I-have-some-mores has seen things develop as they have...although the corporations at large did a "good" job with that where faux "bankruptcy" laws modifications were concerned. No matter. It's hardly an issue of rocket science to see where/why the actual demand is finally exceeding the always-and-forever presumed supply in aviation. The military is nowadays even having trouble attracting truly qualified candidates. What young person in their even slightly right mind wants to sign away over a full decade of their lives to indentured servitude, so far forward into what's to them an actually unimaginable time frame. When they look ten years back they likely weren't even fully into puberty for their "time" reference, and per the civil side: "Hey kid, want to invest vast oceans of cash into some "dream job" that you may never even get?"..or that can go "poof" with the slightest economic downturn?/etc.

Per the 1500 hours; the FAA, as per usual, reacted to crashes/tombstones and went into "Gentlemen! This is serious!" mode..."We've got to protect our phoney-baloney jobs!" Followed by many "Harrumphs!"..and thus that new "standard", without of course the slightest concern for what actual affect it would have. In fairness though; the airlines for decades enjoyed a hiring "pick and choose" pool with a previous abundance of military trained applicants in earlier history. "Merely" gaining Wings pretty much required at least a year of essentially obsessive and total immersion in learning all-things-flight. "Back-in-the-day" even 200 plus a bit total hours produced "kids" able to lead 4 ship formations of supersonic birds. Army aviation hardly indulged any "slouches" as well, and for the USN/USMC; tap in just a few more hours and "kids" were able to land on rolling and pitching carriers. Any attempted comparisons with general/civil aviation "training" are purely ridiculous.

Bottom Line: Both the government and the average corporation aren't really run by the "smartest guys in the room", no matter what they try to tell you, and neither much generally evidence even the slightest "wisdom" where the larger perspective and longer view are concerned....just saying. My advice to any youngsters in recent years who've evidenced an understandable infection with the "Sky Virus" is to completely forget the airline BS, go to medical school/start your own business/whatever, buy your own aerial toy, or hook up with a Guard or Reserve squadron if you feel both called to serve your country and truly feel the need to do anything involving real flying....Period. When asked why I'm, for a very short time, still prowling the higher altitude clouds, well, I'll admit that even trying to explain to "kids" the vast differences in military and certainly airline life from "back-in-the-day" versus contemporary times is difficult, but most eventually get it...well, other than the predictable few who's young/immortal-and-first-time-ever-generation to be born eyes understandably glaze over during the "speech" of course. 😉

 

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[Claxon]

Duane continues his " eastie" comments online.
Duane, online, called Sully a FRAUD.
Your thoughts on your Missippi trip Giroir?

Your thoughts Ray?

 

[dariencc]

No need to sweat the collateral damage. These dogs are the greatest. Right, Ray?

http://6abc.com/news/dog-attacks-kids-strapped-in-car-seats-inside-minivan/2127908/

 

[dariencc]

The lady probably had it coming.

http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-new-haven-pit-bull-attack-0705-20170704-story.html

 

[dariencc]

It wasn't the dog's fault. The 7-year-old shouldn't have been running.

http://abc13.com/pets/surveillance-video-captures-pit-bull-attack-young-boy/2187901/

 

[A330PYLT]

Duane continues his " eastie" comments online.
Duane, online, called Sully a FRAUD.
Your thoughts on your Missippi trip Giroir?

Your thoughts Ray?

To be totally honest your motives are very clear to all who dare pay attention Tom. Its a the same old East bash west theme that is tired and played out. I have yet to see you talking about "Elwood Menear, 46, was released from jail one day after he was arrested for making what authorities called "inappropriate" comments at Philadelphia International Airport. Police accused him of making terroristic threats and disorderly conduct ."http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jan/15/news/mn-22704 I wonder why that is?? I never see you post a thing about Anderson the east pilot ACCUSED with the murder of a US ATTY?? WHY IS THAT TOM???? http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/08/06/an-unsolved-killing

See to anyone paying attention its all about East bashing West and when you fail to prove one lie you move on to creating a hostile environment by telling lies about my facebook photos which i can prove go back to LONG before i ever set foot in the 330 homie! Say what you will we all know the truth as you are as transparent as clean glass. See I let it go and I live better as a result you on the other hand can not seem to move on but Aug 2018 will be here soon and you can relax. Did I tell you that I retire as of today #1020? That number is sure to go down more but in any case it means WB capt for the last 6yrs of my career should I choose to. Now far be it from me to rub that in your wound because I am way above that but it is fruit for knowledge...

Now you try and have a good weekend ok?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

To be totally honest your motives are very clear to all who dare pay attention Tom. Its a the same old East bash west theme that is tired and played out. I have yet to see you talking about "Elwood Menear, 46, was released from jail one day after he was arrested for making what authorities called "inappropriate" comments at Philadelphia International Airport. Police accused him of making terroristic threats and disorderly conduct ."http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jan/15/news/mn-22704 I wonder why that is?? I never see you post a thing about Anderson the east pilot ACCUSED with the murder of a US ATTY?? WHY IS THAT TOM???? http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/08/06/an-unsolved-killing

See to anyone paying attention its all about East bashing West and when you fail to prove one lie you move on to creating a hostile environment by telling lies about my facebook photos which i can prove go back to LONG before i ever set foot in the 330 homie! Say what you will we all know the truth as you are as transparent as clean glass. See I let it go and I live better as a result you on the other hand can not seem to move on but Aug 2018 will be here soon and you can relax. Did I tell you that I retire as of today #1020? That number is sure to go down more but in any case it means WB capt for the last 6yrs of my career should I choose to. Now far be it from me to rub that in your wound because I am way above that but it is fruit for knowledge...

Now you try and have a good weekend ok?

Man I thought TWU fleet and mechanics were vile to each other. You guys take it to a whole other level.

Enjoy your retirement A330PYLT.

 

[A330PYLT]

Man I thought TWU fleet and mechanics were vile to each other. You guys take it to a whole other level.

Enjoy your retirement A330PYLT.

2031 but I most certainly will I am sure. FYI I am not a mean spirited person but I do take hits from the mean spirited. I am however, a lot stronger than they think and now as you can see when all else fails they attack my dogs. The real irony there is that guy as a class A ass but even given that my dogs would still lick him as opposed to biting him.

 

[Allegheny]

I have yet to see you talking about "Elwood Menear, 46, was released from jail one day after he was arrested for making what authorities called "inappropriate" comments at Philadelphia International Airport. Police accused him of making terroristic threats and disorderly conduct ."http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jan/15/news/mn-22704 I wonder why that is??

Elwood Menear, "Woody" as he is known out east did make a "smart assed" comment to the PHL police about security issues which the police then inflated into a full "brew ha ha." The company fired Woody over the incident.

Then it gets interesting, anyone who knows Woody will tell you that he will snap back at a foolish comment or question with a "smart assed" reply in half a heart beat. He does not suffer fools gladly. He did it to this cop who asked him about something in his bag and Woody's reply was I wouldn't need a knife or gun to do anything, I would just use the airplane crash axe.

One close examination in front of a Federal Judge, Woody was acquitted of all charges, the cop was disciplined by the PHL police department and Woody got a huge award from US Airways. It was rumored to be over $1 million plus full back pay.

So the reason you didn't hear anything about it is that Woody won on all fronts and the company and cops got the black eye.

As for the guy in Seattle, I never met him and haven't heard anything further from or about him.

 

[A330PYLT]

I have yet to see you talking about "Elwood Menear, 46, was released from jail one day after he was arrested for making what authorities called "inappropriate" comments at Philadelphia International Airport. Police accused him of making terroristic threats and disorderly conduct ."http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jan/15/news/mn-22704 I wonder why that is??

Elwood Menear, "Woody" as he is known out east did make a "smart assed" comment to the PHL police about security issues which the police then inflated into a full "brew ha ha." The company fired Woody over the incident.

Then it gets interesting, anyone who knows Woody will tell you that he will snap back at a foolish comment or question with a "smart assed" reply in half a heart beat. He does not suffer fools gladly. He did it to this cop who asked him about something in his bag and Woody's reply was I wouldn't need a knife or gun to do anything, I would just use the airplane crash axe.

One close examination in front of a Federal Judge, Woody was acquitted of all charges, the cop was disciplined by the PHL police department and Woody got a huge award from US Airways. It was rumored to be over $1 million plus full back pay.

So the reason you didn't hear anything about it is that Woody won on all fronts and the company and cops got the black eye.

As for the guy in Seattle, I never met him and haven't heard anything further from or about him.

Then I wont tell you what Woody said to me one day but let me put it like this, people in public office in Washington have been fired for saying it...

The point of the matter was not to shine a light on Woody or any other pilot for that matter but rather point out the very obvious actions of Tom which is clearly nothing more than a smear campaign of west pilots.

I don't go digging into pilots personal lives for many reasons, most of which I'm just not that interested. I have been a pilot ADVOCATE unbeknownst Tom. I don't and have never gone around looking to gather information photos or otherwise in some effort to terminate a pilots career. Now one simple check by this man PRIOR to calling people telling them lies of this sort would have revealed that I have helped pilots in the past that I am not very fond of. Why, because I am pilot advocate first before my personal feelings.

I am done with this east/west horseshit and I will not referee those who feel the need to continue to partake in it. I'm sorry if that offends some but that really is not my problem to solve either.