7-dirty-7/The Flying Oven

[ussnark]

That's because it was in PHL.

How do you know?

 

[songbirdstew]

Any rational person would get off aircraft, go directly to the FAA, OSHA and union claiming that their workplace is unlivable. Also claim missed trip.

Quit whining and start doing. Your own health is at risk. The more people that "do", the less moronic mgt behavior you will have to put up with. The more people that "do", the more that will see the rational path is to make change, not through rants but through actually doing, filling out safety reports (keep copies) and follow up.

BTW, the pilots lied to you. There is no such "law" at CLT. In their misguided cretinous manner, they are still trying to "save" the company. Call them out on their lies. Make them prove it. In any case you have a marvelous reason to get off a trip with pay. Exercise it.

If we had anything more than spineless AFA representation then I would probably do just that. I called OSHA when we first started to clean the A/C and all they gave us---and still give us--is those food service gloves. OSHA told me that they do not have jurisdiction over airlines, that is something that AFA has tried to fight for but to no avail so they say.

In addition, I too have been told that they don't hook up air for ground time of less than one hour----not just in CLT but in other cities....as someone posted here, it would take away man hours from the so called "quick-turn" that never happens...so they just let us all cook.

 

[as the prop turns]

How do you know?

I was standing right there.

 

[ussnark]

I was standing right there.

and you did not walk?

 

[Hope777]

I was standing right there.

Again, an APU?????

Did they take the aircraft to the hangar?

How long did the APU change take?

Heck it's an internal engine, I cant believe they would do an APU change at the gate ! ! ! Figure that would take HOURS....

 

[A320 Driver]

This seems like a very simple thing to me. The Captain takes his pen out of his pocket, opens the logbook and writes up the A/C, APU and whatever else it takes. He notes cabin temperatures and makes a statement about passenger safety, then he packs his flight kit and asks scheduling what they want him to do next.

BUT FOR PETE'S SAKE, YOU DON'T FLY AN AIRPLANE WITH 90 DEGREE CABIN TEMPS!!!

We should not be flying broken airplanes. If the cabin won't cool, IT'S BROKEN.


Sorry, but this spinless BS really ticks me off.

A320 Driver <_<

 

[ussnark]

This seems like a very simple thing to me. The Captain takes his pen out of his pocket, opens the logbook and writes up the A/C, APU and whatever else it takes. He notes cabin temperatures and makes a statement about passenger safety, then he packs his flight kit and asks scheduling what they want him to do next.

BUT FOR PETE'S SAKE, YOU DON'T FLY AN AIRPLANE WITH 90 DEGREE CABIN TEMPS!!!

We should not be flying broken airplanes. If the cabin won't cool, IT'S BROKEN.
Sorry, but this spinless BS really ticks me off.

A320 Driver <_<

For once, totally agree.

 

[Hope777]

I totally agree! An aircraft that is excessively HOT should not be in service until repaired, Period. I think ANY crew that refuses an aircraft due to a hot cabin should be aplauded. They ARE doing the right thing. I also do not understand WHY an aircraft without an APU does not have an A/C cart or Continuous High Power Air Hooked up to cool the cabin.

My point with Prop is what they said, an APU. We all know that an APU is an internal engine on the aircraft and is not something that can be brought to a gate or can be replaced in a timely manner, it is an engine change.

 

[flyJOE]

Again, an APU?????

Did they take the aircraft to the hangar?

How long did the APU change take?

Heck it's an internal engine, I cant believe they would do an APU change at the gate ! ! ! Figure that would take HOURS....

I'm thinking they meant to say GPU and not APU.

 

[phasersonstun2]

When I get an airplane that will not get cool using ground conditioned air, I simply get out of the seat, go down the jetway stairs, find the gaping hole in the hose and stand over it. The cold air is refreshing!

 

[songbirdstew]

This seems like a very simple thing to me. The Captain takes his pen out of his pocket, opens the logbook and writes up the A/C, APU and whatever else it takes. He notes cabin temperatures and makes a statement about passenger safety, then he packs his flight kit and asks scheduling what they want him to do next.

BUT FOR PETE'S SAKE, YOU DON'T FLY AN AIRPLANE WITH 90 DEGREE CABIN TEMPS!!!

We should not be flying broken airplanes. If the cabin won't cool, IT'S BROKEN.
Sorry, but this spinless BS really ticks me off.

A320 Driver <_<

Here's the argument I have gotten in the past....
"It's hot now but will cool off in the air ."------which 7 times out of 10 it does. So it's a catch 22...do you refuse to fly an a/c that is hot on the ground but MIGHT cool off in the air---you may not know if you have not flown that a/c yet that day but do you take that chance to not inconvenience the pax ???

 

[nycbusdriver]

Here's the argument I have gotten in the past....
"It's hot now but will cool off in the air ."------which 7 times out of 10 it does. So it's a catch 22...do you refuse to fly an a/c that is hot on the ground but MIGHT cool off in the air---you may not know if you have not flown that a/c yet that day but do you take that chance to not inconvenience the pax ???

Unless there is something really very wrong with the air conditionaing system, every airplane will cool off in the air. With the engines producing enough power to maintain flight, they are also supplying way more than enough air to provide that needed cooling.

But this is where the captain's judgement is critical. I cannot in good conscience take a hot airplane in PHL (or LGA, or LAS, etc.) where there may be very lengthy delays on the taxi-out before takeoff. A hot airplane becomes a roasting oven of an airplane in short order once the 100+ warm bodies are on board and the doors are sealed shut. If I am in BUF and will likely be airborne in 5 minutes, it may be a okay to take a hot airplane knowing it will cool off promptly. But at any airport where the takeoff queue is more than one or two airplanes long, it's unhealthy (and therefore unsafe) to take the airplane out.

 

[cactusflyer]

From a westie...welcome to our annual nightmare.

Every single summer, like clock work we have issues in Phoenix with ground air and mulitple a/c with inop apus. It's like someone in the sandcastle forgets that we have summer temps that are 110 degrees plus. Every single town hall someone brings up the issue of hot a/c and ground air that doesn't work with DoUgIe and he says the same da*n thing. " I'll look in to the ground air issues." Well, from my count he's been "looking in to it" for about 4 years now. So, if I get on an a/c that is too hot and the FD isn't there, I simply refuse to board. I make sure to be proactive and I call the inflight bubble to tell them that it's too hot to board. That way they get the whole story and not just the stressed out gate agent's version. What some of the simpletons in management seem to forget is that many of the people traveling through the PHX hub aren't from PHX and as such, they can't tolerate the heat as well as those of us who live here. Don't even get me started on the elderly and babies being subjected to the heat.

We did have a crew that was forced to board. Shortly after boarding began, they started showing signs of heat exhaustion (as outlined in the manual) so, the 2nd had the FD contact Medlink (which can and should be done even if you are on the ground) and Medlink advised that the FA's needed to be treated. So, flight takes delay anyway while they bring down hot reserves. Crew goes to clinic, but by the time the dr. sees them they are okay because they've had a chance to cool down and drink some fluids. Crew goes home and is scheduled to pick the trip back up the next day as it comes back through domicile. Oh and they were guaranteed for portion of the trip missed due to heat exhaustion.

Moral of the story, take 10 minutes and cool down the da*n a/c otherwise we may still end up screwing ourselves with a delay to replace a heat exhausted crew. I have found that if you start making calls the minute you show up and find the a/c too hot that the powers that be are little more helpful. It may still take using the words "refusing to board" to jumpstart them though.

 

[SegmentKing]

I was just going to say, I've never had a "warm" aircraft in PHX or LAS yet... I think DEN was the worst so far, this year.

I was surprised to see Mesa using ground air on the Dash 8's and CRJs... first I've seen that in a LONG time!

 

[SegmentKing]

thank god we parked those Fukk.. Fokkers 😛 those things were always hot inside!