A340's on which pilot contract?

[cactusboy53]

Nost....
We do have / had some Wein kids here. There are a few others that are likely listed on "the list". The people that participated in the Ansett deal.....well, my question is: Are those people's names on "the list"? Technically speaking, is that actually considered a scab offense? I suppose there is no one at AAA that is on "the list"?? Doubtful.

Disappointed in those actions of those people? YES. Did any of them learn a lesson? Maybe. Debated at length? YES.

The point to my post that remains relevant is this: We negotiated in good faith. We signed documents that we would abide by binding arbitration. Was the list what we wanted? Not entirely, but we signed the document and are willing to abide by the federal arbitrators decision. Your AAA representatives signed the same documents.

MOVE ON. The efforts to deny, delay and dismantle are costing YOU and the other AAA pilots MILLIONS of DOLLARS. Jack is leading you down the road traveled only once by Air Wisconsin. Do you really want that?

 

[nostradamus]

Nost....
Are those people's names on "the list"? Technically speaking, is that actually considered a scab offense? I suppose there is no one at AAA that is on "the list"?? Doubtful.

Disappointed in those actions of those people? YES. Did any of them learn a lesson? Maybe. Debated at length? YES.

MOVE ON. The efforts to deny, delay and dismantle are costing YOU and the other AAA pilots MILLIONS of DOLLARS. Jack is leading you down the road traveled only once by Air Wisconsin. Do you really want that?

Are those people's names on "the list"? Technically speaking, is that actually considered a scab offense? I suppose there is no one at AAA that is on "the list"?? Doubtful.
YES,YES,YES

"The true reason for the resignations was actually quite straight forward. The fact remains that the Pilots had little choice but to resign in order to protect themselves from being sued by anyone adversely affected by the Dispute. Unlike most Western democracies, the right to strike under statute law did not exist in Australia in 1989. Further, it was not widely known that when the Companies issued the writs against their pilots, they also sacked them. The status of being

a 'sacked' pilot served with a writ implied in a legal sense 'wrong doing' by the pilot concerned. This in turn made them much more vulnerable to being successfully sued by anyone else adversely affected by the Dispute. (Thus for example, Mr Keith Williams of Hamilton Island Resort attempted to personally sue the pilots issued with writs by the Companies.) "

A PILOTS PERSPECTIVE OF THE Austrialian pilot dispute.


Cactus boy 53 Asks

"MOVE ON. The efforts to deny, delay and dismantle are costing YOU and the other AAA pilots MILLIONS of DOLLARS. Jack is leading you down the road traveled only once by Air Wisconsin. Do you really want that?"


Money over principles. I am not surprised you can understand this with your mentors and pilots and Ceo with a long record of drug and alcohol violations.

You asked the question, I know where you stand you know where I stand. Dead horse.

You want to be arrogant like laughing about the list being gone or wave your principle flag, I will give facts in my counterpoint.

Receivership next week will cement resolve of most pilots.

Happy Holidays

 

[cactusboy53]

"Money over principles. I am not surprised you can understand this with your mentors and pilots and Ceo with a long record of drug and alcohol violations. "

.....We the undersigned representatives of the US Air Pilot group and the America West pilot group do hereby promise to abide by decisions rendered under federal binding arbitration..............

Again, principle remains my point. And yet the ugly argument of who worked for who when, and who went to Australia rears its ugly head. OK, so my CEO has a couple of DUI's. He's still the darling of the Airline industry. Is he a visionary? Probably not. That said, we are still making money.

It's time to move on. Stop wasting valuable time and money in a process that will fail and cost those pilots involved a bunch of money. ALPA isn't the greatest, but I will prefer that representation when Parker anounces the next merger/aquistion (I heard it might be Hooters Air!).

 

[TechBoy]

Any more questions about the America West pilot heritage, please feel free to ask again cactus boy, I have more, it helps to have a FBI connection.

Are you suggesting that you have access to FBI files relating to individual US citizens? Is that legal?

 

[Phoenix]

Are you suggesting that you have access to FBI files relating to individual US citizens? Is that legal?

I imagine the answers would be "NO" and "NO". People who work the cases are free to discuss what is public information (and would be more familiar than many about what public information is available.) They of course would not be free to discuss confidential information and certainly wouldn't.

 

[nostradamus]

Are you suggesting that you have access to FBI files relating to individual US citizens? Is that legal?

No access before hand, painful follow up if unlawfully harassed.

 

[EastUS]

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Again, principle remains my point.

OK..I'm truly curious: What's the true and noble "principle" behind seeking to invalidate others' years of work, experience, and sacrifce for your personal benefit?

"Stop wasting valuable time and money in a process that will fail and cost those pilots involved a bunch of money. ALPA isn't the greatest, but I will prefer that representation when Parker anounces the next merger/aquistion (I heard it might be Hooters Air!)."

From "principle", which you claim's a major issue for you, let's just discuss "a bunch of money". How is it that you can even imagine any great, glorious, world beating contract arising from despicable management with two perfectly divided pilot groups to play with? Let me guess = They said so?...Be serious. gvien that Alpo's fear-ocious amateur "negotiators" have a proven history of merely asking "pretty please" fro table scraps...you've got to be purely kidding yourself.

It's worth noting that any "contract" may very well become scrap paper in the near future due to another merger/sell off/etc. Any east pilot that would discard his/her seniority for some contract that has no shelf life in any future merger would, IMHO, have to be insane. If, due to Nic, you've some fantasy that integration with any Alpo carrier would be on terms favorable to you...just look at what great things they're doing for the longest dues paying pilot group currently existing. Do any out west have even the slightest fantasy that they're somehow beloved by Alpo?...Sheesh.

 

[Ifyoudon'tlikeitquit!]

Are you suggesting that you have access to FBI files relating to individual US citizens? Is that legal?

He's suggesting access just like he's suggesting that he's a pilot. Damn Kids!

Latest A340 rumor: They'll get here before the China runs start. Apparently, the Tempe Tombstone is seriously looking at how viable a PHX-LHR-Tel Aviv route would be. Behind the scenes, the Phoenix Airport Authority is pushing hard for it, or any other European route, but not using deadly force (yet).

 

[nostradamus]

"Money over principles. I am not surprised you can understand this with your mentors and pilots and Ceo with a long record of drug and alcohol violations. "

.....We the undersigned representatives of the US Air Pilot group and the America West pilot group do hereby promise to abide by decisions rendered under federal binding arbitration..............

Again, principle remains my point. And yet the ugly argument of who worked for who when, and who went to Australia rears its ugly head. OK, so my CEO has a couple of DUI's. He's still the darling of the Airline industry. Is he a visionary? Probably not. That said, we are still making money.

It's time to move on. Stop wasting valuable time and money in a process that will fail and cost those pilots involved a bunch of money. ALPA isn't the greatest, but I will prefer that representation when Parker anounces the next merger/aquistion (I heard it might be Hooters Air!).

Parker is a drunk. A strong history of dui's. If that were you or me we would not be employed at this point. Your darling is a drunk and law breaker. That said Al Capone made lots of money.

Dead horse argument about what we each think.

ALPA is gone regardless of receivership.

This is not costing me a penny because I no longer pay dues to ALPA and I sent 1000 to usapa. They should make it by the first vote, if not they will the second.

You asked I answered.

Happy Holidays

 

[nostradamus]

[quote name='Ifyoudon'tlikeitquit!' post='532366' date='Oct 8 2007, 11:12 AM']He's suggesting access just like he's suggesting that he's a pilot. Damn Kids!

Latest A340 rumor: They'll get here before the China runs start. Apparently, the Tempe Tombstone is seriously looking at how viable a PHX-LHR-Tel Aviv route would be. Behind the scenes, the Phoenix Airport Authority is pushing hard for it, or any other European route, but not using deadly force (yet).[/quote]

Welcome to the message board. Joined today at noon. I welcome your new opinion.

 

[Ifyoudon'tlikeitquit!]

Joined today at noon.

10:03 PM PDT, actually. Guess you didn't adjust your clock to local time. Now go do your homework...tonight is a schoolnight (in this state anyway)

 

[nostradamus]

You sound like junebugs twin sister. The mannerism is haunting.

 

[EastUS]

You sound like junebugs twin sister. The mannerism is haunting.

Credit where due = At least it's a more appropriate avatar for the "mystery" poster's position.

 

[Coffee_Tea_Or_Me]

[quote name='Ifyoudon'tlikeitquit!' post='532366' date='Oct 8 2007, 12:12 AM']He's suggesting access just like he's suggesting that he's a pilot. Damn Kids!

Latest A340 rumor: They'll get here before the China runs start. Apparently, the Tempe Tombstone is seriously looking at how viable a PHX-LHR-Tel Aviv route would be. Behind the scenes, the Phoenix Airport Authority is pushing hard for it, or any other European route, but not using deadly force (yet).[/quote]

lol: Good one! Do people actually believe this? Heathrow's most profitable and viable routes serve the NE United States and, like it or not, PHL IS the chosen international gateway for US Airways. So, suddenly US would decide that PHX - LHR needs a route and with a 340? Didn't Doug previously mention Frankfurt being an option for PHX over LGW even?

And, the notion of LHR - TLV (maybe the wrong code?) is comical, too! Let's have one flight a day to LHR from a west base, and continue it to Israel! Let's compete head to head with El Al, British Airways, BMI, Virgin, etc. on a continuing route from a west coast US city when the majority of Israel traffic comes from the Northeast!

This is nothing against PHX -- but US is not going to base a widebody in a place with no current widebody flying or wideboyd maintenance. The planes will arrive well before the China run starts for training and proving runs, but the proving runs will likely mimic the 330's intro to the fleet: PHL-MIA, PHL-SJU, etc.

 

[Ifyoudon'tlikeitquit!]

You sound like junebugs twin sister. The mannerism is haunting.

Nice guess, junior, but wrong! And I'm a bit surprised you didn't include an irrelevant link to your reply. Guess you were too busy updating your Facebook profile.

As far as international service out of Phoenix is concerned: there is over 5 million people living in the Valley and the only direct service to Europe is BA (747-400). Ever since Lufthansa pulled out the local government and business community have been screaming for international flights by a US carrier out of PHX. With PHL being the operational nightmare that it is, why would it be so inconceivable that USAirways would consider starting service with a 340/330 out of PHX? Not necessarily LHR but I think there are a couple of other cities in Europe that could be considered. Personally, I think we'd be better off with Central / Latin American service out of Phoenix, similar to CAL out of IAH, as long as we use something bigger than the AB we put on the Costa Rica trip.

Got the LHR-Tel Aviv rumor from a captain who lives next door to a flight attendant whose teenage son has a friend whose cousin works at a restaurant where the bartender has a sister who goes to yoga with Scott Kirby's secretary. So that info is solid 🙄