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AFA contract What is the hold up?

SORRY but doug p is already using it to PREVENT combined contracts... lol :lol:
 
Can we use CHAOS? as a remedy to help get a merged contract.
I believe we have to be released by an Arbitrator first. We haven't even gotten to the point of Arbitration. In 1999 at HP we were released into a 30 day cooling off period, after that we were free to do random chaos strikes across the system. Chaos works well because the company has no idea which flights the union decides to strike, or have fa's walk off the job at certain destnations, flights, cities, etc. Our contract was settled at the last minute when we agreed to extend our last day for two hours negotiating. Of course, we all know the result. A horrid first contract, and weak council at HP. :down:
 
First of all you can only use CHAOS when you are in Section 6 Negotiations and the National Mediation Board has declared an impasse and the 30 day cooling off period has expired.

If you seek the NMB's help during Section 6 Negotiations are you assigned a Mediator, not an Arbitrator.

Since you are not in Section 6 Negotiations any actions of CHAOS would be considered a job action or wildcat strike and you would be subject to discipline from the company upto termination.

A first contract is never a good or great contract, it is a building block for future improvements.
 
First of all you can only use CHAOS when you are in Section 6 Negotiations and the National Mediation Board has declared an impasse and the 30 day cooling off period has expired.

If you seek the NMB's help during Section 6 Negotiations are you assigned a Mediator, not an Arbitrator.

Since you are not in Section 6 Negotiations any actions of CHAOS would be considered a job action or wildcat strike and you would be subject to discipline from the company upto termination.

A first contract is never a good or great contract, it is a building block for future improvements.
I am sorry, but we had an arbitrator because we voted down our first proposal, and then went into mediation. It was determined by the mediator board for a cooling off period, and then chaos action. Mix them up. :huh:
 
An arbitor hears grievances or would have come up with his own CBA which would have been binding.
 
An arbitor hears grievances or would have come up with his own CBA which would have been binding.
Listen 700, I went thru the our first contract negotiations, okay??! We voted down our first proposal, and then went into arbitration, the mediation board had an imapse, and we went on a 30 day cooling off period. WE were very close at HP to striking and chaos! IF you need proof, please contact Pat Freind! 😱
 
Mediation and Arbitration are TWO totally differant things.

If you went into arbitration for your CBA, whatever the Arbiter came up with would be enacted without a vote.

Better check your facts.
 
Listen 700, I went thru the our first contract negotiations, okay??! We voted down our first proposal, and then went into arbitration, the mediation board had an imapse, and we went on a 30 day cooling off period. WE were very close at HP to striking and chaos! IF you need proof, please contact Pat Freind! 😱
Sounds like a newbe unaware of the NMB’s process
http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/collbarg2.pdf
 
Mediation and Arbitration are TWO totally differant things.

If you went into arbitration for your CBA, whatever the Arbiter came up with would be enacted without a vote.

Better check your facts.
If history serves me right I don’t think a airline in the USA has very op for arbitration after being release
 
If history serves me right I don’t think a airline in the USA has very op for arbitration after being release
OKAY, whatever, newbie, I was there! We did get released into a 30 day cooling period and were free to strike! America West, if you aren't up on your facts! :blink:
 
We did get released into a 30 day cooling period and were free to strike! America West, if you aren't up on your facts! :blink:
I I’m and was aware You are not free to strike until the 30 days are up.
 
You are not free to strike until the 30 days are up.
 

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