AFA Thread 5/3-6/6

[Travelpro72]

I just don't understand how the company being as small as it is cannot manage their staffing. I'll tell ya one thing, treating your employees like children will NOT get people to obey. It's a bad way to manage. Also add to my list of things to boost moral is getting rid of the 1.5 hour q/c for the east. Ever try getting down the blue route in PHL to I-95 and making checkin? It's sometimes impossible. The system needs tweaked NOW! We cannot wait until a joint contract is reached. Does the company want a smooth operation this summer? Obviously not. Oh well. See ya at the beach.

 

[safety stud]

If you ask me, the me too clause has to go. It is out-dated to say the least. If you look at the big picture of the M-T clause, it was designed to allow flight attendants and pilots to fly together, bid, and the such when the majority of crew members were female. This isn't the case now, and for the majority, the ones that want to fly together do so seperately. In another case the M-T clause has done nothing for us but make us give back to the company without negotiating. If the pilots were first to give up, what they gave up effected AFA just the same. IE: duty rigs, DH, etc. In tern, we would negotiate at a deficit to start with.

I don't care if I fly with the pilots. You negotiate what you negotiate. Period. If there are some things within the M-T clause that need to go in a new CBA that doesn't include the M-T then negotiate that in. Period..... ALPA, or USAPA, or whom ever will negotiate with the pilots will not ask AFA first for anything. We aren't included in their conversations. However, when they negotiate with the company, they can control costs other than their union and the company knows this. It is the staunch die-hard flight attendants that think giving up the M-T clause will hurt them. The complacency of doing nothing or worse yet continuing to do the same will lead us down the road to more concessions. All without us having to negotiate anything....

[color="#FF0000"]Get Rid of the ME - TOO Clause!!!![/color]

Just my opinion...

 

[flybynite]

Be careful what you wish for......

 

[Travelpro72]

Get rid of the me too clause! ! ! ! Worried about how life would be if we did? If you have GREAT negotiators you don't have to worry now do you? 🙄 Hmmmmmm. I say split and negotiate on our OWN what we want. I DO like flying with the pilots but we could be much more productive doing our own thang.

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> If you look at the big picture of the M-T clause, it was designed to allow flight attendants and pilots to fly together, bid, and the such when the majority of crew members were female.

Do the proponents of abolishing the Me Too clause think they can get better pairings?

<SNIP> Ever try getting down the blue route in PHL to I-95 and making checkin?

Can’t say that I have, but I would encourage all Reserves that are quick called to adjust your driving to WX conditions such morning fog or heavy rain. Sometimes it’s safer to pull over and wait.

 

[sharktooth]

If you look at the big picture of the M-T clause, it was designed to allow flight attendants and pilots to fly together, bid, and the such when the majority of crew members were female.

This is why experience is so important.

Your take on the reason for the "me-too" clause is completely incorrect, in every way possible.

Pilots are protected by FARs. FAs are not (except for one day in seven off). Without the "me-too", FAs would then have to negotiate each and every rule that is codified by FARs that would then only apply to pilots. Talk about starting down the "slippery slope". Rest rules and duty protections, if negotiated, should only be done after much discussion and should always be taken seriously.

Is your real name Jerry Glass?

 

[WCT]

I just don't understand how the company being as small as it is cannot manage their staffing. I'll tell ya one thing, treating your employees like children will NOT get people to obey. It's a bad way to manage. Also add to my list of things to boost moral is getting rid of the 1.5 hour q/c for the east. Ever try getting down the blue route in PHL to I-95 and making checkin? It's sometimes impossible. The system needs tweaked NOW! We cannot wait until a joint contract is reached. Does the company want a smooth operation this summer? Obviously not. Oh well. See ya at the beach.

We'll intimidation goes along way TravelPro. Seems the East has succumed to this type treatment, gate agents especially? :blink: How do you think we are no. 1 ontime?? Get it on time, or written up!? :angry: 🙄

 

[songbirdstew]

This is why experience is so important.

Your take on the reason for the "me-too" clause is completely incorrect, in every way possible.

Pilots are protected by FARs. FAs are not (except for one day in seven off). Without the "me-too", FAs would then have to negotiate each and every rule that is codified by FARs that would then only apply to pilots. Talk about starting down the "slippery slope". Rest rules and duty protections, if negotiated, should only be done after much discussion and should always be taken seriously.

Is your real name Jerry Glass?

You are RIGHT ON THERE---while there are some parts of the me-too clause that I wish we could get rid of, the protection of rest and duty that it gives us makes staying with it worth it. F/As do NOT have those provisions, they are provisions that the pilots have. I don't know about you all but working a 14 hour day is getting more and more difficult as I get older....We have fatigue issues which I believe contribute to the amount of slides that are blown. We're TIRED and need to either keep that clause or have that negotiated separately because it is not our right to have it.

 

[ganesha]

F/A's should be covered by the FAA. How F/A's can be on call 24 hours a day, 6 days a week is beyond my comprehension............

F/A's, each and every one, need to write to your congress person, and tell them we need OSHA protection and better work rules, MANDATED the FAA.

1) Change min overnight to 10 hours, nothing less
2) Min overnight in home base 12 hours
2) No more on call 24 hours a day, 6 days a week for RSV's
3) Max work day 14 hours - then min of 12 hours off
4) Duty break no less than 1 hour in an 8 hour day so that F/A's can get some food and sit down and eat it. If you worked anyplace else, you get 15 min breaks and 30 min lunch period in a regular 8 hour day. I guess F/A's are not people and not obliged of this privlege.

Who will take charge and do this for the F/A's?

 

[safety stud]

This is why experience is so important.

Your take on the reason for the "me-too" clause is completely incorrect, in every way possible.

Pilots are protected by FARs. FAs are not (except for one day in seven off). Without the "me-too", FAs would then have to negotiate each and every rule that is codified by FARs that would then only apply to pilots. Talk about starting down the "slippery slope". Rest rules and duty protections, if negotiated, should only be done after much discussion and should always be taken seriously.

Is your real name Jerry Glass?

My take is just that, my take on the issue. However, The protections that you so heartedly describe are negotiated items. Just as you say the protections that the pilots have are governed by FAR's so can the provisions setforth in negotiations. You assume, that we wouldn't get the same provisions. The company can't impose duty provisions on us that aren't negotiated. The slippery slope you so elpquently stated is change. Is it you are afraid of change? Or is it you want the pilots to negtiate work rules for you, that you could control in your own negotiations? My whole premise of this conversation is that I don't want the pilot group to negotiate my contract. Simple.... The M-T clause prohibits our ability to make change from what the pilots negotiate.

Some of the provisions of the M-T clause are ones we want. These also can be negotiated. At what price do we all put on our own independance? Get real folks, The company is going to come looking for ways to save money... The easy way is to go to the pilot group and offer them monitary function as apposed to work rule change. They will take money over work rule every time and you can bank on that. So we then go full circle and the M - T clause strikes us again, without us negotiating it.

Just my opinion...

 

[safety stud]

F/A's should be covered by the FAA. How F/A's can be on call 24 hours a day, 6 days a week is beyond my comprehension............

F/A's, each and every one, need to write to your congress person, and tell them we need OSHA protection and better work rules, MANDATED the FAA.

1) Change min overnight to 10 hours, nothing less
2) Min overnight in home base 12 hours
2) No more on call 24 hours a day, 6 days a week for RSV's
3) Max work day 14 hours - then min of 12 hours off
4) Duty break no less than 1 hour in an 8 hour day so that F/A's can get some food and sit down and eat it. If you worked anyplace else, you get 15 min breaks and 30 min lunch period in a regular 8 hour day. I guess F/A's are not people and not obliged of this privlege.

Who will take charge and do this for the F/A's?

My point exactly... These are things, we the flight attendant group can negotiate. The M-T clause prohibits us from changing what the pilots have in their contract.

Just my opinion...

 

[Travelpro72]

The MAIN issue I have right now is the 24 hour and 6day thing. I WILL NOT and HAVE NOT gone to Europe at 3am. It won't happen. You can fire my butt before I'd go. Just a few weeks ago I was sitting #7 ALL DAY from 5am when coverage for daily started. I got called later that day with a trip to Europe. NOPE. Next in line.......sorry I'm not a robot and I don't give a $H!T what is negotiated and in the contract. Write me up or summon me to a supervisors meeting. I'll be sure to bring a value meal to chomp on while we discuss. I'm so over it at times I scare myself. LOVE the job but really detest being under the 24 hour thing. I think 1.5 hours to report is right up there too. In these days of crazy traffic and construction everywhere it's almost impossible at times. Your allowed to be 120 surface miles from the airport right? So I'm sitting close to a call....am I to circle the perimeter of the airport like a buzzard? Ummm that would be a big NOPE! ! !

 

[missthe727]

CHANGE OF SUBJECT----SINCE WE ONLY HAVE THIS ONE AFA THREAD.......

I have a question. There are people coming back who were fired for the use of illegal drugs. Now that you get a second chance and rehab if you test positive, I guess that means those who were let go previously can come back. I just heard of a guy let go 4 years ago who was in recurrent saying he got his job back due to this new change.

So, here's the question...Do these people lose anything for being crack heads or whatever and getting fired. Do they come back at their original seniority?? Are they given the same amount of vacation at their seniority? Is there sick time reinstated? I'd just like to know if the time these people lost while they were away from the company while I remained here is accounted for and docked from their seniority. It doesn't seem fair that if I stay here and follow the rules and they seem to be rewarded for bad behaviour.
Anyone know?????

 

[N965VJ]

We’ve had mandatory drug testing since 1991. Anybody who has poor enough judgment to use drugs, has absolutely no business being a FA.

 

[Twicebaked]

CHANGE OF SUBJECT----SINCE WE ONLY HAVE THIS ONE AFA THREAD.......

I have a question. There are people coming back who were fired for the use of illegal drugs. Now that you get a second chance and rehab if you test positive, I guess that means those who were let go previously can come back. I just heard of a guy let go 4 years ago who was in recurrent saying he got his job back due to this new change.

So, here's the question...Do these people lose anything for being crack heads or whatever and getting fired. Do they come back at their original seniority?? Are they given the same amount of vacation at their seniority? Is there sick time reinstated? I'd just like to know if the time these people lost while they were away from the company while I remained here is accounted for and docked from their seniority. It doesn't seem fair that if I stay here and follow the rules and they seem to be rewarded for bad behaviour.
Anyone know?????

Well, that is just like the girl that was busted stealing the comforter from a hotel in Europe. Did she lose her job? NO!!!

What about the f/a and family that was stealing the dishes from the hotel in Phoenix. Did she lose her job? NO!!!!

The union is sometimes a problem. These people should NOT be employed any longer!!!!!!!!