AFW VOTE

[FWAAA]

<_< ----The problem here FWAAA is we've seen where those profits go! They're going into the pockets of upper, and med, management in the form of Bonus! Where's the "Shared Gain" FWAA???

Hold on, MCI. For starters, the PUP/PSP payouts were not the profits of AA. Years ago, they struck a deal with stockholders that they'd get a bunch of money if the stock price outperformed the other airline stocks. That happened and they amended their deal to take stock instead of cash.

You weren't around, of course, in the late 1990s when AA was distributing $250 million, $300 million or evn $350 million of profit sharing each year to the employees; you were instead collecting those pittance checks from TWA.

I don't understand why the unions agreed to the current screwy profit sharing deal, and one of the execs said the same thing at yesterday's stockholders meeting. The 2003 TAs should have never even presented such a crappy deal to their members. The leaders of the APFA, TWU and APA should have been drawn and quartered immediately for ever bringing such a lousy deal to the members in 2003.

You can't expect your workers to permanently reduce their standard of living just to benefit the "Privileged Few" at the top! It just don't work that way!-----And don't give me that crap about "you have to give these talented people a decent wage to retain their services!" Because I could use the same argument to describe the people on the floor, who really run this Airline!!!!

You want to see a pay raise above the concession wages? Maybe you think that AA will agree to raises in 2008 to the rank and file that exceed profits. I don't think you're that gullible. When your employer is showing huge profits, you can collectively bargain to put them in your pocket. We've all seen what happens when your employer is losing money - like in 2001-03 - the only decision then is how big a reduction in your standard of living will you suffer?

As I've posted before, I want to see higher wages for those who perform important services like you do, and it seems to make sense to institute some regional pay distinctions so that Owens and MacTiernan can afford to live anywhere near their stations. That probably means that the guys in Tulsa and Kansas City and Fort Worth are gonna see wage stagnation for a long time.

Anyway, good luck in replacing the bus drivers union that allowed this travesty.

 

[MCI transplant]

FWAA---- I don't like how this whole thing has played out with the TWU, but now is not the time to be divided as a work group!---- Nice try FWAA! But this fish won't bit! 😉

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Bears,

IOR voted 980 NO 750 YES during the RPA. (not exact numbers, but you get the idea)

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IORFA,
Thank you for the exact numbers !!

Having worked in ORD for 2 seperate tours '97, and again in '99(FSC), for a city as BIG as ORD, they(fsc/amt's) were a "bit" too pro company.
While not expecting ORD to be as militant as say a BOS/JFK/LGA/EWR/PHL, "they" still could use a "tweak or two" AWAY from the company.

But you are correct, that of the 3 union groups in ORD(TWUse less, APA and APFA), your group is the toughest !

🙂

NH/BB's

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

The Local 567 membership has voted to no longer participate in the PLI program or any of the other joint processes. As for as I know this is the only local that has had a vote on this. I hope that the other locals will follow along and have a vote also. Although I wonder how long it will take for Little Jimmy to overturn this vote? So much for local autonomy if this happens.

Our recording secretary called me yesterday.
For the record MIA is participating in the JLT. I was told local 561 was the only local that pulled out. Since no other locals were following suit they decide to participate again.

To get the real story one would have to ask the local president.

:huh:

 

[767 mechanic]

Could we see the verbage of the motion that was accepted by the membership at AFW? Also was the verbage the same as the motion at MIA?

I will see if I can get the exact verbage. If I remember correctly it was somthing to the effect that all elected twu represenatives no longer participate in any and all of the joint processes between the company and the twu,such as PLI or JLT. I hope this helps.

 

[Bob Owens]

Keep "punishing" AA's bottom line by refusing to do things that increase profits (you admit that they "save money") and you can be assured that your pay won't go up.

Something about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face comes to mind. If I were hoping to extract more money from management, I'd be doing everything I could to increase the size of the pie

And you would probably say that if the horse had ran a little faster he would have caught that carrott on a string. The fact is if we increase the size of the pie they would simply take more, past practice has proven this to be the case. The fact is that we have increased productivity on a consistant basis for over twenty years and as a result we have seen our compensation drastically reduced. The more we produce the less we make. After all increased productivity means that fewer workers are needed which creates a surplus of labor which drives down the price of labor.

Better off to put the whole pie (meaning their slice too)at risk than think that by making it bigger all of a sudden they will be less greedy.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< -----FWAAA, Just curious, but How big of that bonus pie did you get?

 

[limit]

Hold on, MCI. For starters, the PUP/PSP payouts were not the profits of AA. Years ago, they struck a deal with stockholders that they'd get a bunch of money if the stock price outperformed the other airline stocks. That happened and they amended their deal to take stock instead of cash.

Which shareholders did they struck that deal with?
How are the shareholders involved in setting compentation parameters?

 

[767 mechanic]

Has any other local other than AFW pulled out of the joint processes(PLI-CI- etc)? I wonder how long it will be before Little or Yingst steps in and tries to force us back in?

 

[Hackman]

Has any other local other than AFW pulled out of the joint processes(PLI-CI- etc)? I wonder how long it will be before Little or Yingst steps in and tries to force us back in?

Come on 7, all twu locals are autonomous right??? At least until they do something the twu International sellouts don't like. Then the Company Union boys step in for a little "guidance" twu style. :down: