aircraft damaged philly

[MarkMyWords]

Management bears some responsibility in any case. Failure to make good hires being one that comes to mind. A person's ability to fog a mirror does not automatically qualify them to work the ramp.

How does Management bear responsibility for the person hitting the airplane? Should there be a manager stationed at every airplane every time there is a piece of ground equipment driven near an airplane? Every person that is hired has a background check and must possess a valid drivers license to drive on the ramp. What do you feel should have been done? If you were running the show in PHL, what would you have done to avoid something like this happening? What would you do if something like this did happen? Where is management at fault?

There are incidents of aircraft damage all throughout the system and the industry. Unfortuantely, it happens. The objective should be ensure that the employees take responsibility for their actions and own up to any incident/action that may involve jeopardizing the safe operation of a flight. Operate on the side of caution.

 

[AP Tech]

Its called proper training!!!! Accidents can be caused by little or no training. A few first hand observations, witnessed a jetway operator putting the jetway on the L2 door vs L1 when we first got the 321's because they did not know the difference!! After that they put "321" under the radome until people learned the difference. Watched a utility person(when we had them} walk behind a 757 engine while running to chalk because he was told never to step in front of a running engine!! These are just a few instances, so training could make a difference.

 

[dc3fanatic]

Its called proper training!!!! Accidents can be caused by little or no training. A few first hand observations, witnessed a jetway operator putting the jetway on the L2 door vs L1 when we first got the 321's because they did not know the difference!! After that they put "321" under the radome until people learned the difference. Watched a utility person(when we had them} walk behind a 757 engine while running to chalk because he was told never to step in front of a running engine!! These are just a few instances, so training could make a difference.

PEOPLE, who drives the truck? GGI or US Airways?

If you are going to yell at mgmt, yell at the right mgmt.

 

[fr8tmastr]

Back when we made a buc or two management was all over the place patting themselves on the back because it was they, not the peseants who made the money. Now when something goes wrong it has nothing to do with management?

If not management, who is responsible for making sure what is going on around thier aircraft? Is it the employees job to ensure proper training? New hires and inexperienced people dont even know what they dont know.

Management brought in the outsourcing, claims it will save money. It is management that is responsible to make sure THEIR outsourced company knows what the heck they are doing.

Sure it's the guy's fault that hit the airplane. But management is responsible for ensuring the proper training and hiring of qualified individuals to do the job. Min wage wont do it. dont forget a year or so ago with that poor soul in DC.
I can tell you first hand from the cockpit there are many new people on these ramps that are doing many questionable things. This is managements fault.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Catering in PHL is still Fleet Service.

 

[700UW]

Catering is not outsourced in PHL.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Does that mean it is Fleet Service?

 

[700UW]

Yes.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

Maybe the person was scared, ever think of that pitmtc?

And it is a union's job by law to represent every member.

Scared???...WHAT!!!!..It is appearent that someone acting in an erroneous manner damaged an aircraft, and you are going to say the person was scared???...thats why he "made a run for it"...and then crashed the damn truck???...JESUS...This my friends is UNION mentality at its finest...No more needs to be said...this says it all...Oh, I forgot, other posters' have suggested to lay some of the blame on Management....yes, sir, there had to be some suit that directed that idiot into the aircraft!! GOOD DAY!!!

 

[700UW]

The person ran AFTER the incident, allegedly.

And no where did I blame management.

Glad to see you keep posting your self-portrait.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

Scared???...WHAT!!!!..It is appearent that someone acting in an erroneous manner damaged an aircraft, and you are going to say the person was scared???...thats why he "made a run for it"...and then crashed the damn truck???...JESUS...This my friends is UNION mentality at its finest...No more needs to be said...this says it all...Oh, I forgot, other posters' have suggested to lay some of the blame on Management....yes, sir, there had to be some suit that directed that idiot into the aircraft!! GOOD DAY!!!

Re- read my post again, 700....SLOWLY....I said NOTHING of YOU blaming management....I said OTHER posters......And, obviously this person ran AFTER he/she damaged an A/C....thats what I said...your point???? And nice to see that you think when I post a pic, it was meant for you, therefore you somehow feel it neccessary to attack and insult the poster to make your sorry a## feel better...that pic was meant for the losers trying, somehow, to bring a management equasion into the picture...That is absurd...The person damaged an aircraft, tried to run, wrecked the truck, was caught, END OF STORY!!!! FIRE his/her A##...........GOOD DAY!!!

Now..This one IS for you,700!!

 

[E-TRONS]

A/C 406 was parked at gate B5 during a turn around flight. The catering crew had just completed catering the A/C throught the L2 door. After backing away from the A/C the driver proceed forward under the elevator.
The catering truck struck the aircraft aft of the APU damaging the APU exhaust pipe,muffler and shroud. The aircraft was inspected,a temporary repair installed to the shroud and maintenance ferried to PIT for repairs.
Estimated cost for repairs including labor is approx 110K. More if the APU requires replacement.
In PHL catering is performed by US employees.

So exactly how much speed tape constitutes a temporary repair?? From the looks of those photos the tailcone was indeed crushed (MARK) revealing the honeycomb-hideout
BTW, That is not repairable damage but rather replaceable 😉 SRM would tell you that, as would engineering. But then again <_< ?????

 

[Bluesky]

I would blame management for this incident at PHL because of a lack of leadership, money, take your pick as to which one. Safety should be paramount for any job and especially on a busy, dangerous airline ramp.
US Airways has failed miserably in correcting problems in PHL which have been long known about. The 'wild west' attitude by equipment drivers, and total meltdown of safe, reliable equipment to begin with are just a few of the problems. Any moron management type could come up with a plan to correct these items by continually holding safety meetings, proper training, enforcement of rules, appointing a 'safety czar' such as is found on construction sites, (on location not behind a desk), proper lighting and application of safety zones around aircraft. When you cram ten pounds of flour in a five pound bag, what do you expect.

US Airways would rather put money in management pockets than ensure a safe work place. When the bottom line IS the bottom line, something such as safety suffers. How can you instill a safe attitude among workers who are constantly being told they're not worth a grain of salt, that the only ones that count around there are upper management types. This is just another incident to file away with all the others. Nothing has changed and more equipment will be damaged, people hurt in the future. Hasn't this gone on long enough? The FAA and OSHA should levy heavy fines against creating an unsafe work place to workers and customers who could have been injured when this aircraft was hit.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

I would blame management for this incident at PHL because of a lack of leadership, money, take your pick as to which one. Safety should be paramount for any job and especially on a busy, dangerous airline ramp.
US Airways has failed miserably in correcting problems in PHL which have been long known about. The 'wild west' attitude by equipment drivers, and total meltdown of safe, reliable equipment to begin with are just a few of the problems. Any moron management type could come up with a plan to correct these items by continually holding safety meetings, proper training, enforcement of rules, appointing a 'safety czar' such as is found on construction sites, (on location not behind a desk), proper lighting and application of safety zones around aircraft. When you cram ten pounds of flour in a five pound bag, what do you expect.

US Airways would rather put money in management pockets than ensure a safe work place. When the bottom line IS the bottom line, something such as safety suffers. How can you instill a safe attitude among workers who are constantly being told they're not worth a grain of salt, that the only ones that count around there are upper management types. This is just another incident to file away with all the others. Nothing has changed and more equipment will be damaged, people hurt in the future. Hasn't this gone on long enough? The FAA and OSHA should levy heavy fines against creating an unsafe work place to workers and customers who could have been injured when this aircraft was hit.

Blue...I do agree with many points that you are referring to. The situation in PHL has been known for a very long time, and yes, U management has not been at the "front of the lines", so to speak, to correct the many problems this station faces. However.....For those of us who have worked in and around A/C for a very long time (Myself for over 22 years), this is a situation where this is BASIC Ground handling duties!!!! Driving a freaking vehicle around A/C..on the ramp...much activity....one must be observant, and pay attention. I learned this in the Air Force when I was 18 years old for crying out loud!!!! This is not rocket science!! I'm not saying the company should not have a sound safety policy, which I believe they do because I was involved in the safety program at U (in PIT). This type of a situation ALLEDGEDLY invoved one individual who acted recklessly, and should be held accountable....PERIOD!! Thats this posters' humble opine!! 🙄 🙄 GOOD DAY!!!

 

[diogenes]

I don't see this one as either/or.

Hold the employee accountable under any circumstance. If he wasn't comfortable with his skill level (indicated by running), why was he on the ramp?

I'd love to know the driver's seniority. If he was a newbie, I'd love to see his training file, and have sat thru his training class. I am the first to tell you training can be inadequate.The unions should back a guy who won't commit a procedure he's not properly trained for.If he had seniority, he's supposed to know - report all a/c strikes - regardless of anything else. Lives are at stake. If the guy made an honest mistake, I doubt he'd be terminated. Disciplined? Sure. This is where to hold management accountable.

If the training is inadequate, why is the IAM letting it go on? They need to be all over the company. If they have complained and management ignored it, I hoped they complained in writing and can verify it (faxes are lovely things!). This is where to hold the union accountable.

This has got to be a better solution than forming the usual circular firing squad and pointing fingers.