Aircraft maint issues

The Executive Negotiating Committee met face to face with American Airlines this week in Washington DC.

The Letters of Agreement that were reviewed and designated by the Association subcommittee, were presented to the company. An agreement was reached by the parties on what letters will still need to be discussed and incorporated into the JCBA, what letters will be retained, and what letters will be eliminated that are no longer relevant.

Discussions continued for MLS and MCT on Qualifications, Filling of Vacancies and Overtime procedures. Progress was made.

Agreement was reached to continue the Aviation Safety Action Program (ASAP) and to establish a Ground Safety Action Program (GSAP) program that will apply to Association represented ground personnel. These valuable programs help to promote a safer workplace while creating greater protections for our members.

In depth discussions began on the Scope Article for Fleet Service.

Discussions on Union Security/Dues Check Off for all groups were also held, we are close to a tentative agreement for that article. In keeping with being productive between negotiation sessions, an Association subcommittee will meet in DFW next week to finalize the Leave of Absence Matrix chart (to be put in the JCBA) that will reflect the previously tentative agreement of the Leave of Absence Article.

Negotiations are scheduled to resume December 11 in Dallas.

Fraternally,
 
You guys?

LUS not LAA

And AA didn’t file chapter 11 15 years ago yet LAA and LUS mechanics make more than you and have way better scope and have way than 2 and change mechanics per airplane.

Two years of JCBA negotiations and only four articles left to go.
Hopefully you guys get your stuff done before us, then we have an arguable target, to thank you guys for.
 
You guys?

LUS not LAA

And AA didn’t file chapter 11 15 years ago yet LAA and LUS mechanics make more than you and have way better scope and have way than 2 and change mechanics per airplane.

Two years of JCBA negotiations and only four articles left to go.
You need to learn before you speak about LAA we took big big cuts in 03 with threat of bk only took the twu and AA a month to take away. Then we got hit again in the 2012 bk contract that’s where the 15 years come from. You lus guys were allowed to get a contract before the JCBA us at LAA did not get that opportunity. You are not Gerry glass in disguise are you. You really sound like management stuge
 
You need to learn before you speak about LAA we took big big cuts in 03 with threat of bk only took the twu and AA a month to take away. Then we got hit again in the 2012 bk contract that’s where the 15 years come from. You lus guys were allowed to get a contract before the JCBA us at LAA did not get that opportunity. You are not Gerry glass in disguise are you. You really sound like management stuge
Probably just never suffered like you guys did, which is why the IAM is in no hurry to help the TWU.
 
Probably just never suffered like you guys did, which is why the IAM is in no hurry to help the TWU.
Really?

US filed chapter 11 twice in less than two years.

We took three rounds of concessions in the two cases, our M&R CBA was abrogated, our pension was terminated and 46% of the workforce was laid off.

And unlike AA employees, we got zero equity.
 
Really?

US filed chapter 11 twice in less than two years.

We took three rounds of concessions in the two cases, our M&R CBA was abrogated, our pension was terminated and 46% of the workforce was laid off.

And unlike AA employees, we got zero equity.
Well that's where you need to come together, instead of letting the TWU do all the work. You are the maintenance group regardless if you like it or not. You talk about USAir bankruptcy, well you guys are facing Parker, the same CEO that was running USair when it went bankrupt. These TWU American Airlines mechanics are not your enemy.
 
You guys?

LUS not LAA

And AA didn’t file chapter 11 15 years ago yet LAA and LUS mechanics make more than you and have way better scope and have way than 2 and change mechanics per airplane.

Two years of JCBA negotiations and only four articles left to go.
We will see when you get done. 2003 was the start of concessions with the TWU and not in BK. But it is also referred by most at LAA as a BK contract even though you were not in BK the TWU still agreed to everything the company wanted with no fight. LAA's contract has always had better language for keeping maint than we have for well over 45 years. Agreed there. But remember, that was all started by the teamsters for well over 30 years and they let them get to a pathetic level of up to 80% outsourcing AND allowed international outsourcing with NO limits at all tied to it. You have only recently gone above us in pay and this is the first in over 10-15 years, for this I am happy for you guys. When we do get a new contract we will (hopefully) be back at the top. So far we are being offered close to 57 top out and I actually hope you guys can top that as the asso. and the company both have promised you guys "industry leading" contract, but, we will see when it's all said and done. Correction; we are not at 2 mechs per a/c. Although our current contract does have a 2.75 lowest limit in it, we are currently at or somewhere between 3.3-3.5 and still hiring to this day with new hires being interviewed this coming Mon. And SWA has been hiring mechanics each and every month for this year so far so the number is growing as it has to for the number of aircraft and the new type maint SWA wants to implement. I will also add that the co. is balking at a new ratio number the union is trying to get into the contract, but sure of the exact number they are arguing over as of right now.
 
You need to learn before you speak about LAA we took big big cuts in 03 with threat of bk only took the twu and AA a month to take away. Then we got hit again in the 2012 bk contract that’s where the 15 years come from. You lus guys were allowed to get a contract before the JCBA us at LAA did not get that opportunity. You are not Gerry glass in disguise are you. You really sound like management stuge
Unbelievable postings after yours. Did you catch those? That was funny!!!
 
Really?

US filed chapter 11 twice in less than two years.

We took three rounds of concessions in the two cases, our M&R CBA was abrogated, our pension was terminated and 46% of the workforce was laid off.

And unlike AA employees, we got zero equity.
You’re dodging, or maybe missing, the point 737 Driver is trying to make. It’s amazing that even after knowing that your insurance costs will increase, there will be layoffs, and more than likely your pension will be frozen like LAAs, the majority of the LUS guys seem to be ok with how negotiations are going. Can you shed some light on this? Is it the battered spouse syndrome, Stockholm syndrome, or the IGM syndrome? Or something else? Why no restlessness from the IAM on getting what Parker promised?
 
The IAMNPF won’t be frozen.

Do you have a crystal ball?

US scope prevents the company from farming out line, at AA they can farm out anything and everything up to 35% of the maintenance budget.

At US they can farm out 50% of billible hours of heavy maintenance.

Components were farmed out because of the CBA abrogation.

Why should LUS take concessions for LAA to make gains?

The IAM and TWU are working together in negotiations, yet every holiday that LAA doesn’t have they come on here and bash the LUS mechanics for the superior laungage in regard to holidays, sick and overtime.
 
The IAMNPF won’t be frozen.

Do you have a crystal ball?

US scope prevents the company from farming out line, at AA they can farm out anything and everything up to 35% of the maintenance budget.

At US they can farm out 50% of billible hours of heavy maintenance.

Components were farmed out because of the CBA abrogation.

Why should LUS take concessions for LAA to make gains?

The IAM and TWU are working together in negotiations, yet every holiday that LAA doesn’t have they come on here and bash the LUS mechanics for the superior laungage in regard to holidays, sick and overtime.

Welcome back, 700UW. This entire post is written with the same wording and in the same style as 700.

Someone signs up and immediately defends the IAM in nearly every post. What are the odds?
 
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The IAMNPF won’t be frozen.

Do you have a crystal ball?

US scope prevents the company from farming out line, at AA they can farm out anything and everything up to 35% of the maintenance budget.

At US they can farm out 50% of billible hours of heavy maintenance.

Components were farmed out because of the CBA abrogation.

Why should LUS take concessions for LAA to make gains?

The IAM and TWU are working together in negotiations, yet every holiday that LAA doesn’t have they come on here and bash the LUS mechanics for the superior laungage in regard to holidays, sick and overtime.
Tell me how you think the differences in the 2 retirement plans will be settled. Do you think the LAA guys will vote for a IAM managed pension? I’ll answer that for you. No.
So you think the only jobs going away will be LAA? Or maybe you don’t care about the lower seniority LUS guys that will be affected?
Why should LUS take concessions? You shouldn’t. Finally you are getting it. But you will lose something and showing a little solidarity with the majority members of this association might not be a bad idea.
 
The LUS will remain in the plan and those on the LAA side should be offered the choice of remaining in the 401k or join the IAMNPF.

No LUS person will vote to lose another pension.

I think the scope will be a blend.

My prediction is no farm out of domestic line maintenance, and a percentage of allowable outsourcing of heavy and shops with no job losses needed or happening.

And I agree the IAM should be there on the protests, but we’re they asked or wanted is the question?
 
The LUS will remain in the plan and those on the LAA side should be offered the choice of remaining in the 401k or join the IAMNPF.

No LUS person will vote to lose another pension.

I think the scope will be a blend.

My prediction is no farm out of domestic line maintenance, and a percentage of allowable outsourcing of heavy and shops with no job losses needed or happening.

And I agree the IAM should be there on the protests, but we’re they asked or wanted is the question?

How does the IAMNPF stay solvent?