ALPA RULING OUT

[Freighterguynow]

IF east side did happen to de-certify ALPA and form their own union, then LCC is merged with another large ALPA carrier, could the east pilots be stapled to the bottom of the new merged list?

Didn't AA do this to the TWA pilots ?

Depends who is buying whom. United lost $152M in Q1 so it seems they won't be the ones writing big checks anytime soon....

 

[Phoenix]

JUST MORE TALKS IN JUNE ACCORDING TO PRATER

Amazing, national ALPA's resolution didn't say anything that an 8th couldn't have already told you.

Make no mistake, ALPA is slow roling you. Don't waste any more time waiting for them.

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

That is not what the Resolution was about. Where do you read that this EC Resolution remotely agrees that the list is "flawed." The EC agrees, along with me and everyone here on this board, that this is an important issue that has far reaching consequences. It says nothing about the fairness of the award and there is a reason for that.

" WHEREAS the Executive Council, acutely aware of the importance of these issues to the pilots of both airlines as well as to the entire Association, desires to fully consider the views of each group and fully deliberate all issues raised in order to effectively discharge its responsibilities, and

WHEREAS the Executive Council is also acutely aware of the negative consequences that may result if the MECs fail to come together to explore consensual approaches that promote career protection and mutual success, and achieve an acceptable single collective bargaining agreement that improves pay, benefits, work rules and job security for both pilot groups. "

The Vote was 14-1.
99% of the members of the Executive Council agreed the list is flawed. How could the EC ever go back to the position the list as publish can stand? If 99% of impartial parties agreed there was something wrong, I'd say there's a good chance something was wrong. In any case I hope you guy's come up with a fair list that works for all of you.

I'd also have to caution the poster bragging about making more money.
Can you spell whipped saw. The longer the pay issues continues the bigger risk the west has of losing flying. I’ve read your section 1 or should I’d say lack of section 1. Maybe the weakest in the industry.
summmeroff

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Callsign_Catus -

The "Cliffs Notes" version is -- it's "flawed" to steal senority. 14-1, hmmm. Love that Project Zanzibar.

Later,
Eye

 

[Bear96]

The Vote was 14-1.
99% of the members of the Executive Council agreed the list is flawed. How could the EC ever go back to the position the list as publish can stand? If 99% of impartial parties agreed there was something wrong, I'd say there's a good chance something was wrong.

Are we reading the same resolution?

I am reading something that only says the EC is aware the award p!ssed off the East pilots (the "negative consequences"), not that they think the decision was "flawed."

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

Really, thanks for summing it all up for us. That's exactly what I was thinking about your character too.

Callsign_Catus -

The "Cliffs Notes" version is -- it's "flawed" to steal senority. 14-1, hmmm. Love that Project Zanzibar.

Later,
Eye

 

[AWA320]

If the list will still be binding why on earth would Prater not have just said so immediately? Hmmmmmm?

The list is not going to stand fellas. One way or another. As I understand it the vote was 18-1 with the AWA EC member the lone dissenting voter on the resolution that was passed.

ALPA is going to do something or they would have stopped the proceding today. If the award was binding and unchangeable it would have been stated as such today.

If you think this is ALPA biding its time you don't understand the seriousness of the situation the EC finds itself in and the knowledge they have obtained that allows them to overturn the award.

Bottom line: If the AAA and AWA MEC's cannot come to a mutually acceptable change to the Nic award, Prater and the EC are indeed going to void it on the grounds it does not follow the stated merger policy. The EC sees it plain and clear.

It's just that plain and simple.

pilot

You couldn't be more wrong. Prater has backed himself into a corner and committed political suicide. There is no mechanism by which the ec can touch this award outside of criminal activity. Now what he has done is once again give false hope to those that originally lied to the pilots they represent. The East deserves far better than they have received thus far.

Further, Prater by opening pandora's box has set the entire structure of ALPA up for complete destablazation. How can any carrier trust in ALPA when it's clear to the world that they refuse to follow their own CB&L's.

Who's next?? UAL and CAL either one of them dislike the outcome just cry to the national union that life is unfair and they will save the day. I hope that the EC does decide to get interfere with this ruling now. The 1900 DFR suits filed on behalf of the AWA pilots will bankrupt and mark the end of ALPA. Isn't that what many on the east wanted anyway??

 

[EastUS]

Further, Prater by opening pandora's box has set the entire structure of ALPA up for complete destablazation. How can any carrier trust in ALPA when it's clear to the world that they refuse to follow their own CB&L's.

Ummm..lemme see now: 14 to ONE...and it's only NOW that you're starting to figure out that serious trouble lies ahead for us all? The ONLY vote against was from the AWA rep. What happened to all the AWA BS about us all being in the "same union"?/"democratic process"?/"abiding by the majority"?/what "the rest of the world" thinks/etc?

The current problem is the AWA total "triumph"/rape/pillage in the Nic mess, for which the east is willing to go to war. The Alpo response is merely an indication that they know such is indeed happening. They've been getting the "Stop dues check offs" and are aware of the very real potential for Alpo to be voted off the island out east very soon.

Yessir...It's very clear to me that Prater's the only real problem here. If we can just get him, and the total 14 (as opposed to the ONE) to "see reason"...along with the 3,000+ out east...then all will be well

 

[Bear96]

Ummm..lemme see now: 14 to ONE. The ONLY vote against was from the AWA rep. What happened to all the AWA BS about us all being in the "same union"?/democratic process?/abiding by the majority"?/etc?

Did you read the resolution?

All that happened is that the majority acknowledged the East pilots are throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[EastUS]

Did you read the resolution?

All that happened is that the majority acknowledged the East pilots are throwing a temper tantrum.

By no means do I expect Alpo to "fix" this mess. I'm extremely fond of simply tossing them off the property.

Does the phrase "Playing for time" have any meaning to anyone????

a vote of 14-1 might as well have been no vote at all as the so called resolution said NOTHING of substance excapt that they agreed to meet again in June.

When in June? june 1 or June 31?? Big difference don't you think?

I fully agree. Those people are simply playing for time. In the wake of pensions given away by Alpa...and countless other "crimes against humanity"/their membership...these guys have, quite likely, run out their rope.

 

[Bear96]

By no means do I expect Alpo to "fix" this mess. I'm extremely fond of simply tossing them off the property.

So when's the election already?

 

[AWA320]

Ummm..lemme see now: 14 to ONE...and it's only NOW that you're starting to figure out that serious trouble lies ahead for us all? The ONLY vote against was from the AWA rep. What happened to all the AWA BS about us all being in the "same union"?/"democratic process"?/"abiding by the majority"?/what "the rest of the world" thinks/etc?

The current problem is the AWA total "triumph"/rape/pillage in the Nic mess, for which the east is willing to go to war. The Alpo response is merely an indication that they know such is indeed happening. They've been getting the "Stop dues check offs" and are aware of the very real potential for Alpo to be voted off the island out east very soon.

Yessir...It's very clear to me that Prater's the only real problem here. If we can just get him, and the total 14 (as opposed to the ONE) to "see reason"...along with the 3,000+ out east...then all will be well

Apparently you neglected to read the resolution. I fail to see where it stated that they will bend to the will of the EAST MEC!! Look we can go round and round until we both retire the bottom line is without some crimonal act the EC can not impose rule in this case without completely destroying ALPA as a whole. Prater has already violated section 45 of the merger policy so I suggest you look very closely at the next move of ALPA national as it could certainly be their last...

By no means do I expect Alpo to "fix" this mess. I'm extremely fond of simply tossing them off the property.
I fully agree. Those people are simply playing for time. In the wake of pensions given away by Alpa...and countless other "crimes against humanity"/their membership...these guys have, quite likely, run out their rope.

I can for once agree with at least 50% of your statement. ALAP may have cut off their noses despite their faces in this. I not sure that tossing them off the property really solves anything at this point.

ALPA may in deed be nearing it's own demise...

 

[ClueByFour]

If you think this is ALPA biding its time you don't understand the seriousness of the situation the EC finds itself in and the knowledge they have obtained that allows them to overturn the award.

Bottom line: If the AAA and AWA MEC's cannot come to a mutually acceptable change to the Nic award, Prater and the EC are indeed going to void it on the grounds it does not follow the stated merger policy. The EC sees it plain and clear.

It's just that plain and simple.

pilot

They won't do it. They can survive life without the AAA pilot group, they cannot survive life with the DFR lawsuit that the west would bring to level ALPA.

That, and the vast majority of the EC represents airlines that don't want DOH. Just like you guys were lead to believe the DOH stuff would actually fly with Nicolau, you are being fed a load of horsehockey if you really believe ALPA will overturn this particular award.

 

[luvn737s]

They've been getting the "Stop dues check offs" and are aware of the very real potential for Alpo to be voted off the island out east very soon.

I would hope the west MEC demands that US dismiss any pilot who becomes delinquent in their dues per the RLA.

So many innocent US employees whose careers are put at risk by a irrational few.

Reason pays huge dividends. Try it!!

 

[Phoenix]

Does the phrase "Playing for time" have any meaning to anyone????

a vote of 14-1 might as well have been no vote at all as the so called resolution said NOTHING of substance excapt that they agreed to meet again in June.

When in June? june 1 or June 31?? Big difference don't you think?

How is it that a group of people who are smart enough to fly an airplane for 20 plus years aren't savvy enough to know when smoke is being blown up their ass in record amounts??? The forest fire last week in the Pine Barrens didn't generate as much smoke and it burned 17,000 acres.

Piney for MEC chairman of the new union!!!!!!!

Yes, why can people be smart enough to fly planes and not smart enough to know when they are being hussled?! "A sucker born every minute.." some grow up to be cowboys, or pilots, or doctors, or street sweepers, or insurance salesmen, or blue water specialists, or...

When did schools stop teaching people how to think?