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ALPA RULING OUT

Piney for MEC chairman of the new union!!!!!!! :up:

Yes, why can people be smart enough to fly planes and not smart enough to know when they are being hussled?! "A sucker born every minute.." some grow up to be cowboys, or pilots, or doctors, or street sweepers, or insurance salesmen, or blue water specialists, or...

When did schools stop teaching people how to think?

Some get it, and see it as a pure delay tactic to allow cooler heads to prevail and not start a decert ALPA drive. And some think it will give them time to find a loophole in the arb.
 
Some get it, and see it as a pure delay tactic to allow cooler heads to prevail and not start a decert ALPA drive. And some think it will give them time to find a loophole in the arb.

Elevation,
Whatever it is, I don't know about you but 14-1 ruling seems pretty damning to me. I guess the America West cheese stands alone.

Later,
Eye
 
Elevation,
Whatever it is, I don't know about you but 14-1 ruling seems pretty damning to me. I guess the America West cheese stands alone.

Later,
Eye


What?! All the 14 agreed to was fluffy language that the East has a reason to have a tantrum for awhile until they all get back to counting the dues money coming in.
 
What?! All the 14 agreed to was fluffy language that the East has a reason to have a tantrum for awhile until they all get back to counting the dues money coming in.

Phoenix,
I am not disputing you that. I totally get where you're coming from. Remember Rome was not built in a day. Let's see where they go with this. If what they come up with is crap you vote them out.

Later,
Eye
 
You couldn't be more wrong. Prater has backed himself into a corner and committed political suicide. There is no mechanism by which the ec can touch this award outside of criminal activity. Now what he has done is once again give false hope to those that originally lied to the pilots they represent. The East deserves far better than they have received thus far.

Further, Prater by opening pandora's box has set the entire structure of ALPA up for complete destablazation. How can any carrier trust in ALPA when it's clear to the world that they refuse to follow their own CB&L's.

Who's next?? UAL and CAL either one of them dislike the outcome just cry to the national union that life is unfair and they will save the day. I hope that the EC does decide to get interfere with this ruling now. The 1900 DFR suits filed on behalf of the AWA pilots will bankrupt and mark the end of ALPA. Isn't that what many on the east wanted anyway??


Every major airline on the Executive council is "more senior" than AWA (ie the company has been around longer) thus one could conclude that they (those on the council) understand that "seniority mess" they are in, i suspsect one possible outcome would be to rule followed by a diffinitive bylaw change to reflect any change and thus the "new" policy going forward to prevent what has happened in the event of future mergers.
 
Really, thanks for summing it all up for us. That's exactly what I was thinking about your character too.

Sorry to "boar" you with the facts. This is what you get when you try and "hog" seniority -- shot down.

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Later,
Eye

Read more about the swine at http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8...amp;image=large
 
Every major airline on the Executive council is "more senior" than AWA (ie the company has been around longer) thus one could conclude that they (those on the council) understand that "seniority mess" they are in, i suspsect one possible outcome would be to rule followed by a diffinitive bylaw change to reflect any change and thus the "new" policy going forward to prevent what has happened in the event of future mergers.

Or could it be that "they" understand the seniority mess that the AAA pilots are currently facing? Hopefully, a national seniority list, that is long past due, will be born from this debacle. Protect us all from this type of award from ever happening again. You may not need it now, but the day is coming when you will.

Best,
 
They won't do it. They can survive life without the AAA pilot group, they cannot survive life with the DFR lawsuit that the west would bring to level ALPA.

That, and the vast majority of the EC represents airlines that don't want DOH. Just like you guys were lead to believe the DOH stuff would actually fly with Nicolau, you are being fed a load of horsehockey if you really believe ALPA will overturn this particular award.

So, do you think you're the first one in line to threaten ALPA with a DFR? Come on. ALPA is bound to protect it's members, all members-not just you. This merger policy has been a looming nightmare for alpa since the U guys got it in place. Please, tell me; how is ALPA not fairly representing you while they defend the practice of seniority?

I can't wait to here this one....
 
The Vote was 14-1.

Really? Where does it say that in either Prater's letter or the resolution? All it says is "standby to standby". (Interesting little tidbit from that letter: Didn't know Jack "General Custer" Stephan was an F/O, doesn't he usually sign his dispatches with Captain?)

I know that "hope springs eternal" and all that but the ALPA national boys only care about themselves (Anybody know any recent President / National Officer that has come back to the line? They're all "consultants" now). This resolution is nothing more than a ploy to buy time, have the emotions settle a bit and hopefully have both MECs work something out "under the table". It should be called the "CYA resolution". National can't afford to have AAA try to decertify, while reversing the award invites lawsuits from the West.

One thing is sure, the ALPA National legal eagles will be working overtime for the next month. Any of you jailhouse lawyers know if there ever has been a binding arbitration issued under the RLA that was rejected by either one of the parties? And if so, what is the procedure for such a situation? I'd be interested in hearing about any case like that? Can you go back to another arbitrator or has it go through civil court?

This non-decision isn't helping either side. Good thing Prater likes to wear his uniform in public, else I wouldn't be able to tell him apart from management.
 
I would hope the west MEC demands that US dismiss any pilot who becomes delinquent in their dues per the RLA.

Sigh....young Hall Monitor..how will it ever be possible to bring your dark, childish fantasies safely out, and into the light? It certainly casts your moral character into a very questionable light, that you would, with cavalier abandon...seek to have those who fail to fancy your particular flavor of BS fired.

Firstly; the west MEC has no such power. They could "demand" until hell freezes over.

Secondly; Are you so utterly naieve as to think that this company will actually fire anyone for union issues? Think again...many in the east have already been in "Bad Standing" with Alpo..for..ummm..actually years now, over assessments/etc. Add to that various "Right to Work" State laws..and you do the math if you can.

Lastly, at this point in time: If alpa COULD and DID get ANYONE fired...they'd pretty much properly have larger fears than decertification...like lynch mobs.
 
Ask yourself just WHY ALPA would want more time?

To correctly word a letter telling the East guys to shove it?

To procrastinate hoping the East guys would forget about it?

You guys may not believe what is about to happen because ALPA has not had a leader like Prater since J.J. O'donnell. Oh wait, I forgot, the West guys weren't around when he was in charge. They never saw an ALPA that stood for anything.

Prater IS going to take the union back. And this is his starting point. He will void this pig if East and west don't reach an agreement.

And he will win ANY legal challenge telling him he can't. The merger policy was not followed hence the award is flawed. Hence, it cannot be legally binding.

Of course, I could be wrong.

But if the award was legally binding, as the west guys hope that it is, the game would have been called on Friday.

I'm giving ALPA one last chance. Either Prater starts running this show like a union or we are going to find a union that stands up for this profession.

Of course we are going to need some pilots who will stand up for the profession too. But it starts at the top. Right where Prater is sitting.

pilot
 
And he will win ANY legal challenge telling him he can't. The merger policy was not followed hence the award is flawed. Hence, it cannot be legally binding.


whether or not ALPA policy was followed is a matter of opinion. I think you guys got a raw deal, but even having said that I think you would have a hard time proving the policy was not followed.
 
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