ALPA/USAPA Topic for week of 2/6 to 2/13

[luvthe9]

At some point the ALPA leaders are going to have to carefully calculate the effect that the current damage will do to their future ability to regain control in future efforts to return USAir into the ALPA fold. At some point it will be beyond even that. When will ALPA's present disregarded for guarding institutional legitimacy undercut their very survival as an association?
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The only thing APLO is calulating is the 12 million lost from all of you, they could care less about us. The other good thing is that NWA has been in contact with USAPA and will start a campaign to leave ALPO also. Why does anyone at US want to be part of a union where every other member wants you out of business, and for that you get to pay 2% of your salary, I just don't get it.

 

[cactusboy53]

"1. Nic with thirty year fence."

Or, look us up the web at: WWW.FATCHANCE.COM

Bring on that vote, let's "get'r done". Either we keep ALPA or I get a 1.95% raise!

 

[prechilill]

The other good thing is that NWA has been in contact with USAPA and will start a campaign to leave ALPO also.

That's great. But what does any of this "ALPO-bad-bad-bad let's get a new union" have to do with arbitrated agreements? (Answer: Absolutely nothing.)
What effect does a change in unions do to arbitrated agreements? (Answer: absolutely nothing.)

 

[Phoenix]

Joint Statement from the East and West Steering Committees



February 8, 2008



The East and West Steering Committees met at a neutral location for ten days to explore consensual solutions to our respective needs. The talks were cordial, and each side now has a clearer understanding of each other's issues. Talks concluded on Thursday afternoon. At this time, no further meetings are scheduled, but talks may resume at a later date.

Ten days at an undisclosed location? Did they splurge for a Holliday Inn Express or did they really blow it out with ten days of FPL, caviar, merlot, and table dancers?

And after tens days of being starved for information all the line swine get to feast on is this bland, stale, morsel that doesn't even qualify as a table scrap? :huh: Why do I find it hard to believe that there is not a lot more here than meets the eye?

 

[EastUS]

That's great. But what does any of this "ALPO-bad-bad-bad let's get a new union" have to do with arbitrated agreements? (Answer: Absolutely nothing.)
What effect does a change in unions do to arbitrated agreements? (Answer: absolutely nothing.)

While that's a much softer peddling of your actual notions earlier expressed by your famous: "Ho Ho Ho!, St Nic is coming to town!"..the message is the same. We clearly differ as to it's validity.

Any thoughts about the current Alpo maneuvering?

 

[nostradamus]

Two things here my man, first you didn't have a job to steal and second Nic just stopped you from from stealing from those of us who did have a future as AAA's was over!

You guys kill me me with that. The award just stopped a staple job that's all nothing more. We go no real benefit from it, in fact for most of us we are now further away from an upgrade then when we got hired and you seek to further that by trying to make us suffer what you suffered, passing the buck.

You need to take a long look who who's stealing what and just what the award did to prevent the worst winfall of all, I know it's difficult for most of you but try to leave your emotions out and read the thing in it's entirety.

You are making emotional statements regarding the financial situation of America West. Parker was waiting outside the ATSB office when
it offered government backed airline loans post 911.

I have provided an article for you to read so you may educate yourself with the facts surrounding the financial health of both companies pre merger. I realize you did not arrive at America West until right before the merger took place, but you should read up on it and not spread emotional opinions my boy.

The only thing you brought to the table was your CEO, with a history of problems driving responsibly. You can argue all day how close each of us were from perishing. Financially speaking and route wise, America West had nothing then and has nothing now to offer.

USA Today April 2005 article. Click here for article

excerpt of article

"Before any America West-US Airways nuptials can take place, they must find someone to pay for the wedding. One partner is fighting to stay alive in bankruptcy, and the other faces liquidity problems. Neither has the wherewithal to pull off a costly merger.

America West can't do it, Parker says. It ended the first quarter with just $345 million in cash, of which only $264 million can be spent. Some analysts are predicting America West will have a cash crunch late this year if oil prices remain high. But, Parker said, "We're not losing sleep over liquidity" issues."

We all know now how he was able to get to sleep easy back then.

A company transaction is in the future that will please investors but not employees, including you.

 

[sharktooth]

"1. Nic with thirty year fence."

Or, look us up the web at: WWW.FATCHANCE.COM

Bring on that vote, let's "get'r done". Either we keep ALPA or I get a 1.95% raise!

consider the 1.95% raise a gift from the east pilots.....

 

[Pacemaker]

The US Airways/America West merger was probably the most ill-advised in the industry since, well, since the USAir/PSA deal in '88. And the fallout will be essentially the same. There is no place in the industry for a stand-alone US Airways, with or without AW.

 

[b737fo]

Talk about emotion.

You have a choice:

1. Nic with thirty year fence.

2. DOH/LOS with fence until "senior" dudes retire at US, about eight years.

Realize that until LAS/PHX become attractive to industry, the west will always have low yield routes, little to no growth, likely contraction. It appears US has no dance partner this coming round, unless, say, a commuter steps up and then a Nic type award might seem quite the disadvantage for the AWA dudes/dudettes.

Choose carefully, your poison.

What a joke. So if the West doesn't go along with your desire to switch our union in attempt to grab DOH/LOS then you will cram a thirty year fence down their throat?

If you even were successful at that so called thirty year fence it would evaporate in, according to you, about eight years when the senior pilots retire and the junior ones negiotiate the fence away.

 

[sharktooth]

If you even were successful at that so called thirty year fence it would evaporate in, according to you, about eight years when the senior pilots retire and the junior ones negiotiate the fence away.

A fence anchored to a "seniority list" cannot be "negotiated" away, unless you change the "list". Even with such a fence, the Nic + fence would, in effect, toss hundreds under the bus, unacceptable. I'd like to see you run your operation in eight years with 800 pilots who should be left seat but stuck in the right, flying exactly by the book, especially with the abortion that mx has become.

That is why the east is doing its part to save the entire airline by dumping the "nic". I imagine with 3100+ pilots digging their heels in, US might as well stand down for a couple of weeks, if not forever.

 

[end_of_alpa]

"Delta, Northwest Focus On Joint Pilot Contract"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1202521800...=googlenews_wsj

Horse before the cart for a change.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Can anyone supply a valid link to these two documents referred to on the AWA public website. It won't let you download them unless your an AWA pilot.

USAPA Asks NMB to Help Correct Blunder


Attached is a letter from USAPA's attorney requesting that the National Mediation Board (NMB) count authorization cards that were cut where the signer’s intent should be. Also attached is ALPA's response to the NMB, requesting that this request be denied.

Attachments:

USAPA's Letter to NMB, February 5, 2008

ALPA's Response to NMB, February 7, 2008

 

[end_of_alpa]

MORE OF THE SAME. LET'S VOTE ALREADY!

"This is Richard Obermeyer with a US Airways MEC update for Friday, February 8th, with one new item.

This joint statement from the East and West Steering Committees was released today:

The East and West Steering Committees met at a neutral location for ten days to explore consensual solutions to our respective needs. The talks were cordial, and each side now has a clearer understanding of each other's issues. Talks concluded on Thursday afternoon. At this time, no further meetings are scheduled, but talks may resume at a later date."

 

[aquagreen73s]

Can anyone supply a valid link to these two documents referred to on the AWA public website. It won't let you download them unless your an AWA pilot.

USAPA Asks NMB to Help Correct Blunder


Attached is a letter from USAPA's attorney requesting that the National Mediation Board (NMB) count authorization cards that were cut where the signer’s intent should be. Also attached is ALPA's response to the NMB, requesting that this request be denied.

Attachments:

USAPA's Letter to NMB, February 5, 2008

ALPA's Response to NMB, February 7, 2008

Why don't you ask Bradford and company? The fact that you don't have access to these documents via East channels, whether it's usapa or the East MEC, proves that nothing has changed or will change with usap - tell the troops what they want to hear but make them get bad news elsewhere. Changing the suit doesn't change the man behind the suit.

I've got both documents but you'll have to get them via your channels. What I will do is sum up your situation by telling you this: next time you guys should get a better lawyer, assuming a competent attorney would take your organization as a client. If your guy can't even handle a straight forward card collection process, then you should be doubting anything and everything that he does professionally.

 

[Benz M-100]

From the east Mec chairman's message dated Feb. 8, 2008:

...They did their best trying to reach a solution to the Nicolau Award. At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns. Again, we are no worse off for having engaged in this process. We remain right where we started and that is in separate operations with the West.

What a suprise....