ALPA/USAPA topic of the week

[end_of_alpa]

Nah I'm to busy with the army and awappa, it will be a hoot to see who they put in out here though.

It will be guys from your side. There will be someone from PHX and LAS that will want to represent the PILOTS at each domicle. If no one wants to be a rep from those domiciles then USAPA will appoint someone.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

If no one wants to be a rep from those domiciles then USAPA will appoint someone.

Maybe you and me?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Name will change. Situation won't.

Actually, it will.

 

[CactusFlyr]

From the Continental Pilots non alpa web site;

"If you think throwing money at ALPA because of merger rumors will force them to perform responsibly, ask a USAIR pilot why they are decertifying ALPA A.S.A.P."

From non alpa Continental web site;;


A vote for a merger fund may be interpreted as a pilot endorsement of a merger.

We voted NO on 0802-29R (the Merger Fund)! There is no system in place to insure accountability.

It is imperative that you register AND vote NO for your vote to count as a NO vote. Not voting does not count as a NO vote.

$14 million per year in dues. $11 Million (the previous merger fund) lost to trip loss scandal. $700K lost to vacation abuse in the Fagone payback scheme and not one single non-concessionary item since ALPA returned to CAL. If you think throwing money at ALPA because of merger rumors will force them to perform responsibly, ask a USAIR pilot why they are decertifying ALPA A.S.A.P.

Why has ALPA made voting so cumbersome with VIN and PIN registration?

"The assessment, if approved by a majority of the pilots returning ballots..."

It is imperative that you register AND vote NO for your vote to count as a NO vote. Not voting does not count as a NO vote.

Representatives will attempt to intimidate you into a "yes" vote by offering a long list of fears, threats untruths and outright lies. That is, "if" you can find one to take time to answer your calls between trips to the buffet table at the "Special MEC meeting".

Until ALPA discloses a plan for full accountability for funds, We urge a NO VOTE on 0802-29R.

Continental Pilots non alpa web site, click here.

Is this from the "Continental Pilots" websight or just someones personal websight that is probably employed by Continental? If this is the case, it is not credible. I am no ALPO fan, but don't condone questionable information. Never mind, checked the link - could be anyone.

 

[Career Reserve]

Actually, it will.

If the polls open March 20th, when will they close?

 

[sharktooth]

Is this from the "Continental Pilots" websight or just someones personal websight that is probably employed by Continental? If this is the case, it is not credible. I am no ALPO fan, but don't condone questionable information. Never mind, checked the link - could be anyone.

There is an "about us" page as well as a "contact" page.

That is a rather typical naive comment. Please explain the difference between an ALPA website, a "Continental Pilots" website and "just someone's personal website..." because I think you are pretty confused. Your naivete really shines when you imply ALPA would never have "questionable information".

 

[JetMonkey]

If the polls open March 20th, when will they close?

April 17th

 

[CaptChill]

ALPA did not elect a MEC that gave away your pension.

No but ALPA did everything they could to protect their mothership cronies on the MEC and make certain they stayed in office so they could give the pension to the company on a silver platter. The pilots were denied a vote! Period the End!

 

[Freighterguynow]

You won't be using them as furlough fodder--there is no sane way to explain why someone who was on furlough at the time of the merger should not be furloughed again before someone who brought a job. None. Zero.

If the furloughs are on the West ( PHX, LAS ) then those pilots bear the risk and are furloughed. Period.
Same for the East.

 

[sharktooth]

You won't be using them as furlough fodder--there is no sane way to explain why someone who was on furlough at the time of the merger should not be furloughed again before someone who brought a job. None. Zero. Nada.

The question is: why was America West hiring when they knew there would be a "merger"? Doug had to know what was coming down when hiring started. Bringing the furloughees back first would have worked in his favor.

Side question: knowing the above, why would anyone go to work at America West as a new hire? Unless they thought they could leverage themselves in the manner that played out.

The new question becomes: When the furloughee, who is entitled to "that" seat, is aced out by management, should not the union try to step up and fix things first, before a merged list is compiled? It seems to me the furloughees have a potential of two additional lawsuits should nic go into effect, another against the union and a new one against the company.

 

[prechilill]

If the furloughs are on the West ( PHX, LAS ) then those pilots bear the risk and are furloughed. Period.
Same for the East.

Somehow I think the east pilot group with all of their double talking would scream bloody murder the second Parker furloughed a couple hundred easties without furloughing a single west pilot, even if all of the flying reduction was in fact from east bases. Look at the pay parity campaign that is still being spoken of by the east pilots as an example.
I know you have been completely stepped on in your short USAir career so I can give you some latitude with respect to furlough comments (I have never been furloughed) but logically your statement makes zero sense.

 

[Low&away]

There is an "about us" page as well as a "contact" page.

That is a rather typical naive comment. Please explain the difference between an ALPA website, a "Continental Pilots" website and "just someone's personal website..." because I think you are pretty confused. Your naivete really shines when you imply ALPA would never have "questionable information".

Nail meet Hammer......

 

[hp_fa]

The question is: why was America West hiring when they knew there would be a "merger"? Doug had to know what was coming down when hiring started. Bringing the furloughees back first would have worked in his favor.

I don't think he knew, at least with enough lead time to do anything about it. Also remember that the proposed deal with ATA had not materialized and he had to run an airline in the here and now.

Side question: knowing the above, why would anyone go to work at America West as a new hire? Unless they thought they could leverage themselves in the manner that played out.

Because America West was stable at that time, making profits at that time, and promotions to the left seat were occuring faster than at just about any other major.

The new question becomes: When the furloughee, who is entitled to "that" seat, is aced out by management, should not the union try to step up and fix things first, before a merged list is compiled? It seems to me the furloughees have a potential of two additional lawsuits should nic go into effect, another against the union and a new one against the company.

I don't see any potential for a viable lawsuit against the company. East unions and furloughees may be a different scenario, but I am not knowledgeable about East labor issues pre-merger to come to any kind of presumptive conclusion.

 

[700UW]

Is this from the "Continental Pilots" websight or just someones personal websight that is probably employed by Continental? If this is the case, it is not credible. I am no ALPO fan, but don't condone questionable information. Never mind, checked the link - could be anyone.

It is registered to a PO Box in San Diego.

 

[Tiger 1050]

The question is: why was America West hiring when they knew there would be a "merger"? Doug had to know what was coming down when hiring started. Bringing the furloughees back first would have worked in his favor.

I think it is somewhat ignorant to assume the merger was a "done deal" prior to 5/19/05. Therefore he continued to operate as though it may fall through.

Side question: knowing the above, why would anyone go to work at America West as a new hire? Unless they thought they could leverage themselves in the manner that played out.

Just who, exactly, knew the merger was coming? Certainly none of us on the line knew but maybe you have a special "red phone" with a direct line to Dougweiser...

The new question becomes: When the furloughee, who is entitled to "that" seat, is aced out by management, should not the union try to step up and fix things first, before a merged list is compiled? It seems to me the furloughees have a potential of two additional lawsuits should nic go into effect, another against the union and a new one against the company.

First let's agree that there is no such thing as a national seniority list. Having said that let's agree that none of us (east or west) could directly affect the other's list prior to the merger. So one is left to believe that your seniority is only "good" at your own airline. Fact is the east never complained concerning the merger policy prior to the award. Only after it came out did we see the outrage. So on what grounds would one sue? You have now decided, after the fact, that you no longer like the ALPA merger policy? ...Why do I even waste my time... Good luck everyone!