AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvn737s]

LCC would effect a reverse acquisition to thwart usapa protective labor provisions, so why not employ the same counter measures in the merger of associations.

Here's a video of how USAPA will be merged into APA. Live from Eastus1's trailer park! It starts with a light concensual nudge, but that soon seems to be a waste of time. It looks like they started with the CLT base, then brought in PHL.

Look how united the two unions are at the end!

 

[luvn737s]

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[nic4us]

A typically brilliant rebuttal on your part....yet you and the other nic zealots clearly find yourselves entirely unable to refute the contained logic....Most amusing indeed. 😉

There is no logic in your premise. The comparison of ranking a high school senior equal to a college senior is what is called a false syllogism.

Further, you are showing your entitlement attitude in your example by insinuating that the AWA pilot group would intitially be of a lesser group (high school seniors) while the east pilots were of an andvanvced position (academy seniors) when the reality of the situation was the AWA pilot group was of the advanced position (employed at a profitable non-bankrupt airline often with greater LOS and more experience).

A much better comparison of the relative seniority integration would be the combining of two not equal but much more similar entities....using the university level...let say we were going to combine Arizona State University with Alabama (roll tide). ASU is a far superior academic institution, and on a good day would beat the crimson tide on the gridiron.....oh, and we all know the ASU kids can party....yet, according to a relative position theory, the senior at Bama would get to keep his/her credits and graduate at the same time as the ASU student.

 

[nic4us]

Judge Wake had the professionalism to admit he was wrong and he would never have the infantile reaction of slandering the court system or the defendants. He in no way supports the disgraceful libel and slander many on these boards so casually cast about. Have some integrity.

I do not recall Judge Wake ever admitting he was wrong.

Following an order to dismiss a case is by no means an admission of error.

Another minor detail...it ain't slander or libel if it is the truth.

Oh, and usapa and its mouthpiece J.(continental scab) Ray, are completely mistaken about the 9ths ruling and the subsequent events at the SCOTUS and dismissal at the district level, and their public announcements of their incorrect interpretations are what the rest of the world calls lies.

 

[EastUS1]

There is no logic in your premise. The comparison of ranking a high school senior equal to a college senior is what is called a false syllogism.

Further, you are showing your entitlement attitude in your example by insinuating that the AWA pilot group would intitially be of a lesser group (high school seniors) while the east pilots were of an andvanvced position (academy seniors).....

A much better comparison of the relative seniority integration would be the combining of two not equal but much more similar entities....

1) How so, at least for purposes of establishing relative seniority?

2) The admittedly absurd (and employed for that very reason) example made no reference whatsoever to any airline(s) or even the industry, but was intended to highlight the inherent insanity of relative seniority in general. It's wryly amusing that you would feel some need to instantly offer up any AWA defense.........

3) Sigh!...I see. So...it's no longer about what position anyone "brought", nor where their seniority placed them prior to "merger"?....It must suddenly, also be based on vague notions of "much more similar entities"...? Can you not clearly see just how convoluted and contrived even attempting to define such concerns immediately becomes? I know, I know...just leave all the insanely illogical "Double, double, toil and trouble" to some arbitrator(s)....and all will magically "make sense" and peace and harmony reign throughout....much as it does around here....yeah...that's the ticket 😉

I believe it would have been far better for all concerned to have simply locked both east and west negotiators inside some marginally uncomfortable room until they mutually agreed on some less insane, whimsical "solution" than arbitrated nonsense. 😉 Oh well....here we all are today.

Have a good day nic.

 

[Phoenix]

I do not recall Judge Wake ever admitting he was wrong.

Following an order to dismiss a case is by no means an admission of error.

Another minor detail...it ain't slander or libel if it is the truth.

Oh, and usapa and its mouthpiece J.(continental scab) Ray, are completely mistaken about the 9ths ruling and the subsequent events at the SCOTUS and dismissal at the district level, and their public announcements of their incorrect interpretations are what the rest of the world calls lies.

Wake would not support your infantile reactions one whit.

 

[fatherabraham]

Another minor detail...it ain't slander or libel if it is the truth.

Nic,

6 > 5= fact
Above post = fact
Opinions followed by slander = ignorance

FA

 

[Crzipilot]

More from the KINGS OF FUD! This gets funnier by the minute! http://compasscorrectioncoalition.com/

Funny, are they copying Msg Board musings now?!?! I stated that same thought process back on the 29th...in this thread

 

[BoeingBoy]

I understand your points, thanks. I can see my meaning wasn't clear.1) The East used the force of numbers and the East failed to live up to their agreement.2) The West pursued remedy by way of litigation, and received remedy.3) The East appealed and the West's remedy was not invalidated, but deferred.By deed, both sides have resorted to litigation to resolve differences. This was essentially the compelling venue of coice, if not the only venue at that time (before the advent of the McCaskill-Bond Amendment), if not the only venue at that time, to obtain remedy. Do you agree?

At the time and being in the minority, the west's only choices were to accept the crumbs falling from the east's DOH feast or seek judicial intervention. But the east was the side that didn't live up to it's agreement, effectively forcing the west response. So the east, by not living up to it's bargain, is at fault for everything that followed.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Without a "marriage" there can be no "divorce", both parties remain "single" and free to seek a different "relationship".

seajay

Wrong - there was a marriage in 2005 - the merger. While the parties that married can seek divorce, the small children (east) can't throw a tantrum and declare the marriage null and void.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

A typically brilliant rebuttal on your part....yet you and the other nic zealots clearly find yourselves entirely unable to refute the contained logic....Most amusing indeed. 😉

Even a nutball like you should see the fault in your reasoning, but I guess not. So let me put it in simple terms. High school isn't college so just being called a senior bestows no equality between a high school senior and a college senior. If it did, a high school freshman would be the equal, education wise, of a college freshman - a distinction that even you should be able to absorb.

Besides, Nic didn't merge the seniority lists by title - all captains and then all f/o's. He used relative position by equipment/seat, which meant that a west pilot wasn't #1, 2, or 3 on the combined list but behind the widebody captains (or the slots they represented) and thus junior to 517 east pilots.

In other words, a twisted argument by a twisted person...

Jim.

 

[Move2CLT]

Looks like your boy Hummel might send this MOU out to a vote anyway.

Good for him. At least he's standing up to the nuts out east.

 

[Move2CLT]

A common theme runs rampant throughout your posting history. Would you care to guess what that might be? Hint: "idiot" invariably plays a central role in constructing the story's arc. 😉

Coming from and old timer who is perpetually living in his past, well, lets just say I won't lose any sleep over your post.

 

[Move2CLT]

Kindly expand on why that seems so to you, if you can.....? The example properly reflects the notions of relative seniority. Should not a high school senior be kept equally senior when transferring to an academy? 😉 If no...then why not? Shouldn't everyone always be properly maintained at their relative positions? You can't possibly be even implying that the essential concepts behind arbitrated and relative seniority are indeed "just f'ing stupid".....?

Yes, everyone should be properly maintained at their relative position - that's what Nicolau did. Your bottom end guys, regardless of how long they were around, ended up at the bottom with our bottom guys.

That's not f'ing stupid - its your upcoming reality boo boo.

Hence the stupidity of your particular analogy.

 

[EastUS1]

If it did, a high school freshman would be the equal, education wise, of a college freshman - a distinction that even you should be able to absorb.

In other words, a twisted argument by a twisted person...

But of course an AWA new hire is inherently the equal, education and experience wise, of people that held a decade and a half of continuous service? That's a bit surprising as I'd have thought the additonal years worked/time flown/etc, would constitute "a distinction that even you should be able to absorb." but apparently not. Indeed "Even a nutball like you should see the fault in your reasoning, but I guess not."

BBoy: "So the east, by not living up to it's bargain, is at fault for everything that followed." Including the economy and any fears of global warming, one must assume? 😉 "... the small children (east) can't throw a tantrum..."

"....a twisted argument by a twisted person..." Indeed...and how very sad it is to see.

You truly would spare yourself appropriate ridicule by just posting the braying donkey video instead of your usual drivel.