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mumble, nonsense, BS

I'm not arguing for anything different than I've always argued for. It's you who are coming up with these la-la land explanations for why "DOH is the only fair way". Even using merit, which is only tangentially related to DOH at best and not related at all to DOH at worst, as an excuse for arguing for DOH. As someone who gained with every merger regardless of the method used to integrate seniority lists, you've come be believe that you're entitled to gain from a merger. Thus the thought that no one moves up or down in relative position, aside from equipment differences, doesn't mesh with your entitlement attitude.

Jim
 
EastUS1, on 03 September 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:
mumble, nonsense, BS


You're an interesting little study, at least from a clinical viewpoint. You put the above as if a direct quote from me, even providing a time stamp for "authentication" I suppose. Please show us all exactly where that was actually "quoted" from....?

BBoy: "As someone who gained with every merger regardless of the method used to integrate seniority lists,.." That's not true, but you musn't let little details discomfort you....like the truth, for example. 😉

How truly sad for you to be a person clearly incapable of even the slightest honesty, most especially with yourself it seems. Small wonder that you so easilly and consistently project your own BS on others...."entitlement attitude"/etc. Sigh!...No matter. Go "strappen into" a bunch more "military cockpits" while you're at it. 😉
 
I was Marine PLC, not academy. Graduated with a finance degree from one of those state universities south of the Mason-Dixon line.

My grandfather was Navy, father was Air Force. I have an appreciation for those who served.

Even East US.. 😉

Not to go far afield for too long here, but you had mentioned the Cadets ethics at the Point, and I'd figured that might well have been your alma matter. "Even East US.." ? Sigh!....I know, I know....There goes the neighborhood! 😉 Seriously though; I was initially set to go into the Marine Corps myself, which likely would have been a good career with a lot of great people. My older brother went that way and had no regrets. The USAF had the shiniest toys though. My Dad was USN persuasion, but with consistent Army lineage that went back to the Republic of Texas. Mom's side had provided a few yankee cavalrymen and two WWI AEF members, with an uncle later serving with 3rd Army in WWII. Needless to say; there were sometimes minor "religious differences" within the family. 😉
 
You put the above as if a direct quote from me, even providing a time stamp for "authentication" I suppose. Please show us all exactly where that was actually "quoted" from....?

It's a low trick, that's for true. And do you know who has no stomach for it?

That's crass - making up a quote for another poster - a complete lack of class.

Oh snap!
 
GOOD LETTER>>>>>>In 2004 we gave this company, by many estimates, $10,000,000,000.00. That’s 10 Billion dollars! That is a lot of money! Frankly, I don’t think any of the other labor groups can understand how much we gave to save this Company. However, I am sure you understand, and I am also confident Mr. Parker understands.
In return for giving this Company pay and concessions, we signed a promissory note. No more than a piece of paper, really. Unless, one event, just one, triggers the Company to make good on this note. We didn’t know if this event was ever going to occur. Yes, We speculated it would, but so did the Company speculate that it was a good deal. And now, seven years later, still working as the lowest paid pilots in the industry, I would have to agree. So, to quote Mr. Wilder, our (so called)expert negotiator, “Now is the time.” Not, of course for what I believe he meant, but instead, now is the time for us to collect!
So tell me Gary Hummell, Why, do you want to tear it up and give Mr. Parker the opportunity to not make good on this promissory note. Let me guess. You think we will all profit and live happily ever after. I don’t think so. You think Mr. Parker is going to make us a part of the largest airline in the world. Think again. Maybe you believe and are buying into the crap spewing from Jerry Glass’s pie hole. None of this could be further from the truth.
What I read and see in this MOU is smaller airplanes, specifically E190’s, probably well north of 31. Shrinking the combined airline with no min fleet, because they can and will. And, of course, lower pay for the balance of many of our careers.
Let’s be realistic about this. If Parker was truly an Airline Executive, with the emphasis on Airline, over the last 7 years he would have capitalized on the lower labor costs that he knew he had and that WE have provided him. I personally have no grand illusion of him ever trying to retain the 15 seconds of fame as the CEO of the largest Airline in the world (If he ever gets to hold that position). Remember, He left two larger airlines to go to a smaller regional size carrier, America West. Did He do that to have America West grow to a major, much larger airline, or did He do it for personal wealth? I think the answer is quite clear when looking at where our fleet size is now compared to seven years ago. Let me just say this; In my 28 years here, I’ve seen at least 8 CEO’s come in and then leave, all far wealthier than even their wildest imagination would allow. Multi millionaires! I can name only two that are worthy of any respect.
And finally, the latest, most recent action by some also speaks volumes of what type of people we are dealing with. Reminds me of the story about a little boy, who got mad at the playground because no one would just let him win and so instead he took his ball and went home.
 
Psssst!! That company from 2004 is GONE. The NEW US Airways is the present company. I thought you ought to know. Stay informed, and remember what Dean Wormer told student Kent Dorfman.
 
EastUS1, on 03 September 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:
mumble, nonsense, BS



You're an interesting little study, at least from a clinical viewpoint. You put the above as if a direct quote from me, even providing a time stamp for "authentication" I suppose. Please show us all exactly where that was actually "quoted" from....?

From the same place you got the "quote" of me saying only "...rambling on...." , complete with timestamp and quote box - for "authentication" I suppose. Apparently your sense of entitlement extends to having one set of rules for yourself and another for everyone else...The great Easthole can do as he pleases but not those opposed to him having what he feels entitled to...

No matter. Go "strappen into" a bunch more "military cockpits" while you're at it. 😉

Still can't get over being wrong can you. I guess another entitlement you feel deserving of is always being right...

Idiot!

Jim
 
It's a low trick, that's for true. And do you know who has no stomach for it?

I'm not above fighting fire with fire, however. When Easthole did it to me he became fair game for the same treatment at any time and place of my choosing. You see, I figured that if I waited a while he'd forget about doing it first and take issue with it, right in line with his double standards.

Jim
 
GOOD LETTER>>>>>>In 2004 we gave this company, by many estimates, $10,000,000,000.00. That’s 10 Billion dollars! That is a lot of money! Frankly, I don’t think any of the other labor groups can understand how much we gave to save this Company. However, I am sure you understand, and I am also confident Mr. Parker understands.
In return for giving this Company pay and concessions, we signed a promissory note. No more than a piece of paper, really. Unless, one event, just one, triggers the Company to make good on this note. We didn’t know if this event was ever going to occur. Yes, We speculated it would, but so did the Company speculate that it was a good deal. And now, seven years later, still working as the lowest paid pilots in the industry, I would have to agree. So, to quote Mr. Wilder, our (so called)expert negotiator, “Now is the time.” Not, of course for what I believe he meant, but instead, now is the time for us to collect!
So tell me Gary Hummell, Why, do you want to tear it up and give Mr. Parker the opportunity to not make good on this promissory note. Let me guess. You think we will all profit and live happily ever after. I don’t think so. You think Mr. Parker is going to make us a part of the largest airline in the world. Think again. Maybe you believe and are buying into the crap spewing from Jerry Glass’s pie hole. None of this could be further from the truth.
What I read and see in this MOU is smaller airplanes, specifically E190’s, probably well north of 31. Shrinking the combined airline with no min fleet, because they can and will. And, of course, lower pay for the balance of many of our careers.
Let’s be realistic about this. If Parker was truly an Airline Executive, with the emphasis on Airline, over the last 7 years he would have capitalized on the lower labor costs that he knew he had and that WE have provided him. I personally have no grand illusion of him ever trying to retain the 15 seconds of fame as the CEO of the largest Airline in the world (If he ever gets to hold that position). Remember, He left two larger airlines to go to a smaller regional size carrier, America West. Did He do that to have America West grow to a major, much larger airline, or did He do it for personal wealth? I think the answer is quite clear when looking at where our fleet size is now compared to seven years ago. Let me just say this; In my 28 years here, I’ve seen at least 8 CEO’s come in and then leave, all far wealthier than even their wildest imagination would allow. Multi millionaires! I can name only two that are worthy of any respect.
And finally, the latest, most recent action by some also speaks volumes of what type of people we are dealing with. Reminds me of the story about a little boy, who got mad at the playground because no one would just let him win and so instead he took his ball and went home.
The perfect blend of revisionist history and horse---- !
 
Psssst!! That company from 2004 is GONE. The NEW US Airways is the present company. I thought you ought to know. Stay informed, and remember what Dean Wormer told student Kent Dorfman.

That's only one of the things wrong with the supposed statements by "a good letter" writer...it's a propaganda piece and nothing else. The pro-Cleary/McGee crowd is obviously not above lying to achieve their goal...

Jim
 
Reminds me of the story about a little boy, who got mad at the playground because no one would just let him win and so instead he took his ball and went home.
Is this scab serious! Gee, Who else does that sound like? Damn you people are stupid...have you no sense of irony?
 
Is this scab serious!

What 9-piece meant to say was that the little boy tried to steal someone elses ball and run home to hide behing his mother because he didn't want anyone to be able to play if he couldn't win, but the other kids caught him and taught him a lesson in playing fair.

Jim
 
What 9-piece meant to say was that the little boy tried to steal someone elses ball and run home to hide behing his mother because he didn't want anyone to be able to play if he couldn't win, but the other kids caught him and taught him a lesson in playing fair.

Jim
The boy was 5 yrs old when tried to steal the ball but by the time the police came by to question him he had turned 6 and his defense was, "they said a 5 yr-old stole the ball. See it can't be me!"
 
GOOD LETTER>>>>>>In 2004 we gave this company, by many estimates, $10,000,000,000.00. That’s 10 Billion dollars! That is a lot of money! Frankly, I don’t think any of the other labor groups can understand how much we gave to save this Company. However, I am sure you understand, and I am also confident Mr. Parker understands.
In return for giving this Company pay and concessions, we signed a promissory note. No more than a piece of paper, really. Unless, one event, just one, triggers the Company to make good on this note. We didn’t know if this event was ever going to occur. Yes, We speculated it would, but so did the Company speculate that it was a good deal. And now, seven years later, still working as the lowest paid pilots in the industry, I would have to agree. So, to quote Mr. Wilder, our (so called)expert negotiator, “Now is the time.” Not, of course for what I believe he meant, but instead, now is the time for us to collect!
So tell me Gary Hummell, Why, do you want to tear it up and give Mr. Parker the opportunity to not make good on this promissory note. Let me guess. You think we will all profit and live happily ever after. I don’t think so. You think Mr. Parker is going to make us a part of the largest airline in the world. Think again. Maybe you believe and are buying into the crap spewing from Jerry Glass’s pie hole. None of this could be further from the truth.
What I read and see in this MOU is smaller airplanes, specifically E190’s, probably well north of 31. Shrinking the combined airline with no min fleet, because they can and will. And, of course, lower pay for the balance of many of our careers.
Let’s be realistic about this. If Parker was truly an Airline Executive, with the emphasis on Airline, over the last 7 years he would have capitalized on the lower labor costs that he knew he had and that WE have provided him. I personally have no grand illusion of him ever trying to retain the 15 seconds of fame as the CEO of the largest Airline in the world (If he ever gets to hold that position). Remember, He left two larger airlines to go to a smaller regional size carrier, America West. Did He do that to have America West grow to a major, much larger airline, or did He do it for personal wealth? I think the answer is quite clear when looking at where our fleet size is now compared to seven years ago. Let me just say this; In my 28 years here, I’ve seen at least 8 CEO’s come in and then leave, all far wealthier than even their wildest imagination would allow. Multi millionaires! I can name only two that are worthy of any respect.
And finally, the latest, most recent action by some also speaks volumes of what type of people we are dealing with. Reminds me of the story about a little boy, who got mad at the playground because no one would just let him win and so instead he took his ball and went home.

That's right $10,000,000,000 with a capital B! And we are going to get it all back at once. Now that we shut down this POS MOU and we have no seat at the table and will go into a merger with the lowest wages in the industry and absolutely no leverage we will finally have our revenge. Its all part of the master plan. Beware Mr. Parker, we aren't playing nice any more. Oh no sir we are going to take that 10 billion $'s right out of your bank account and give to USAPA to distribute fairly amongst the members of our most glorious union. The APA will soon be jerking our gear and they will thank us for the opportunity to learn from our highly extolled experience. The leaders who have led us to this place of eternally low wages and crappy work rules are finally going to hit a home run! Rise up oh fellow workers and fall in behind those who will take us to the promised land!!!!!
 
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