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AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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GOOD LETTER>>>>>>In 2004 we gave this company, by many estimates, $10,000,000,000.00. That’s 10 Billion dollars! That is a lot of money! Frankly, I don’t think any of the other labor groups can understand how much we gave to save this Company. However, I am sure you understand, and I am also confident Mr. Parker understands.
In return for giving this Company pay and concessions, we signed a promissory note. No more than a piece of paper, really. Unless, one event, just one, triggers the Company to make good on this note. We didn’t know if this event was ever going to occur. Yes, We speculated it would, but so did the Company speculate that it was a good deal. And now, seven years later, still working as the lowest paid pilots in the industry, I would have to agree. So, to quote Mr. Wilder, our (so called)expert negotiator, “Now is the time.” Not, of course for what I believe he meant, but instead, now is the time for us to collect!
So tell me Gary Hummell, Why, do you want to tear it up and give Mr. Parker the opportunity to not make good on this promissory note. Let me guess. You think we will all profit and live happily ever after. I don’t think so. You think Mr. Parker is going to make us a part of the largest airline in the world. Think again. Maybe you believe and are buying into the crap spewing from Jerry Glass’s pie hole. None of this could be further from the truth.
What I read and see in this MOU is smaller airplanes, specifically E190’s, probably well north of 31. Shrinking the combined airline with no min fleet, because they can and will. And, of course, lower pay for the balance of many of our careers.
Let’s be realistic about this. If Parker was truly an Airline Executive, with the emphasis on Airline, over the last 7 years he would have capitalized on the lower labor costs that he knew he had and that WE have provided him. I personally have no grand illusion of him ever trying to retain the 15 seconds of fame as the CEO of the largest Airline in the world (If he ever gets to hold that position). Remember, He left two larger airlines to go to a smaller regional size carrier, America West. Did He do that to have America West grow to a major, much larger airline, or did He do it for personal wealth? I think the answer is quite clear when looking at where our fleet size is now compared to seven years ago. Let me just say this; In my 28 years here, I’ve seen at least 8 CEO’s come in and then leave, all far wealthier than even their wildest imagination would allow. Multi millionaires! I can name only two that are worthy of any respect.
And finally, the latest, most recent action by some also speaks volumes of what type of people we are dealing with. Reminds me of the story about a little boy, who got mad at the playground because no one would just let him win and so instead he took his ball and went home.

Luv9.....can you please include the authors name when you post this stuff??

I would like to keep track of who the idiots are.....

This idiot is so off base...every paragraph has an uninformed incorrect assumption that is typical of the morons who have no clue of their position.

For instance, first sentence..in 2004 we gave "THIS COMPANY".. wrong mr. clueless you gave the company "this company" bought, and it was not any where near 10 billion.

Paragraph 2...you did not sign a promissory note. There is no maker...no holder. You amended a contract with a clause that guarantees the company will not enter into a transaction that triggers that clause. Nothing more, and nothing is owed.

Paragraph 3 and 4...he might be right..and if so.. there would definitely be an RJ in your future and there ain't diddly you can do about it.

Paragraph 5...This is my favorite....Parker most certainly has capitalized on the low labor cost...has this guy paid any attention in the last 7 years? Also, AWA was a regional? That made me laugh, now the great USAirways it seems would have been bought by a "regional". And...you bet your rear Parker left bigger airlines to make more money at AWA...see Parker is not stupid like an east pilot...Parker understands how to get paid more money.

Last paragraph..little boy and his ball??? How about grown man and his ignorance.
 
Is this scab serious! Gee, Who else does that sound like? Damn you people are stupid...have you no sense of irony?

He is serious......just another idiot who thinks he is holding a trump card when all he is holding is his own wiener, standing with his thumb up his keaster.

Maybe if he goes and lectures Parker on integrity at a crew news all will see his vision of fairy tales.
 
That's right $10,000,000,000 with a capital B! And we are going to get it all back at once. Now that we shut down this POS MOU and we have no seat at the table and will go into a merger with the lowest wages in the industry and absolutely no leverage we will finally have our revenge. Its all part of the master plan. Beware Mr. Parker, we aren't playing nice any more. Oh no sir we are going to take that 10 billion $'s right out of your bank account and give to USAPA to distribute fairly amongst the members of our most glorious union. The APA will soon be jerking our gear and they will thank us for the opportunity to learn from our highly extolled experience. The leaders who have led us to this place of eternally low wages and crappy work rules are finally going to hit a home run! Rise up oh fellow workers and fall in behind those who will take us to the promised land!!!!!

I am sorry BLT.....there are east pilots who get it and you are obviously one of them.
 
That's only one of the things wrong with the supposed statements by "a good letter" writer...it's a propaganda piece and nothing else. The pro-Cleary/McGee crowd is obviously not above lying to achieve their goal...

Jim

Is it a lie if you are so ignorant of the facts that you believe your delusions?
 
Is it a lie if you are so ignorant of the facts that you believe your delusions?

My answer is no. Otherwise we have all been a liar at some point.
I'm just trying to stay near the bottom of of that (delusional) moving scale.

FA
 
Paragraph 5...This is my favorite....Parker most certainly has capitalized on the low labor cost...has this guy paid any attention in the last 7 years? Also, AWA was a regional? That made me laugh, now the great USAirways it seems would have been bought by a "regional". And...you bet your rear Parker left bigger airlines to make more money at AWA...see Parker is not stupid like an east pilot...Parker understands how to get paid more money.

Before too many folks start taking the author of this "nice letter" seriously...

In the first half of 1990, America West was reclassified as a major airline by the United States Department of Transportation, and the company's sales rose as the airline carried 40 percent more revenue passenger miles than it had in the previous year.



[Quote/]William Douglas Parker is the current chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the US Airways Group.
Parker has been with US Airways since June 1995, when he joined as Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of America West Airlines. He additionally held titles as Executive Vice President, corporate group, and Chief Operating Officer before being elected Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of America West in September 2001.[/quote]
 
From the same place you got the "quote" of me saying only "...rambling on...."

Not so, as that was directly extracted from your actual ramblings. Nice try though.

BoeingBoy, on 27 July 2011 - 12:18 AM, said: "that's crass - making up a quote for another poster - a complete lack of class."

You highly moral and ethical "excuse" for completely making up a supposed quote now being some infantile nyaah, nyaah. BBoy: "When Easthole did it to me he became fair game for the same treatment at any time and place of my choosing. You see, I figured that if I waited a while he'd forget about doing it first and take issue with it, right in line with his double standards." From the pespective of any supposed adult; does that actually make any sense to you?

Show me anywhere I created quoted material rather than excerpts of actual writings......?

"...right in line with his double standards" indeed. Is your moral structure as well as your laughable logic now modeled entirely on that of a petulant three year old? Even if you incorrectly believe that someone "...did it to me.." Is that a proper basis for dropping your own supposed moral objections to any actions and thusly demonstrating yourself to have, in your words towards such actions "...- a complete lack of class."...? That's sadly demonstrative of some amazingly flexible, personal principles.....to say the least.

I've noted that in my honest estimation; you're in serious need of professional help. Do yourself a service and consider making the effort.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.......
 
I've honestly noted that in my honest estimation you're in serious need of professional help. Do yourself a service and consider making the effort.

Says the guy who not long ago was challenging others to "dogfights" and making threatening PM's.......

You might take your own advice there "Baron Von Easthofen."
 
Says the guy who not long ago was challenging others to "dogfights" and making threating PM's.......


"... threating PM's" ? I assume you meant "threatening"? No matter. You're just a flat-out liar, which is the typical behavior of any infantile narcissist. It's no suprise you and BBoy get along so well in that regard. Nothing new to see here....move along. 😉
 
"... threating PM's" ? I assume you meant "threatening"? No matter. You're just a flat-out liar, which is the typical behavior of any infantile narcissist. It's no suprise you and BBoy get along so well in that regard. Nothing new to see here....move along. 😉

Because you really did threaten me I saved all those PM's for use against you at a later date, perhaps in front of the VP of Flying or even a court of law.

You sir, are the liar. Sigh!
 
Because you really did threaten me I saved all those PM's for use against you at a later date, perhaps in front of the VP of Flying or even a court of law.

That lying BS's pathetic but thanks for the laugh. Ummm..should I now feel myself the recipient of a "threat"? 😉
Grow up.
 
Is it a lie if you are so ignorant of the facts that you believe your delusions?

I suppose if someone is so mentally challenged that they can't tell reality from illusion - someone going to a mental hospital instead of prison for murder, for example - then they shouldn't be held liable for what they say or do. But if they're that far off the deep end they shouldn't be flying airplanes either...

Jim
 
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