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AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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Nic,
1- East & West has taken many steps ( resultant delay consequences ) in this arb award fight. Tis why I asked IF in west opinion the outcome was concluded. For example a Cba was ratified w/o a Nic sli. If so.......what would " delay " achieve?
Ratifying the CBA w/out the Nic would trip the trigger on the DFR, one thing that USAPA does understand. What they don't understand is their liability if it is discovered that their strategy of delay (in combo with No Bump/No Flush) was designed to harm the west. Once an injunction is issued, any new CBA with higher payrates is nothing more than, dare I say, an unredeemable lottery ticket.
 
Reality setting in hard and fast.

rrrrr

IF a merge:

There will be a three-way at best for you boo boo.

Make peace with that now.

The Nic will never avoid APA scrutiny ( DOA )

Reality is 9th and I know it's a slow acceptance for my best AF buddy boo boo

rrrrrrrr

FA
 
Give up?,

Rrrrrrrrr.........say it ain't so in your post 1591 quote below:

"If their is no merger, then it is most probable the NIC will be used if a contract is ever reached."

FA
Looking at the term sheet and MOU, I see a signed CBA in about 8-9 years. Works for me.
 
Here we go...

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Move2CLT said:
“FYI, Graceson IS NOT a west pilot. Please do not feed this troll.”


Thanks, Move2.

You’re one of our best soldiers. You’re one of a few who have the volition to stand at the front and brave the onslaught of those who’ve lost any sense of ethical direction. Their moral compass points in one direction only – down.

Sad, don’t you think? That it’s come to this. Our once proud Association consisted of chapters throughout the country, individual and separate. A successful strategy -- each chapter perpetually setting a higher benchmark for the next to leapfrog to greater rewards. It was effective. The CAB regulated airfares and controlled competition. There was always enough revenue to cover the rising benchmark of our profession.

Then Kahn came along and it all went terribly wrong. Our association failed to evolve to meet the new challenges. While management surfed the shifting sands of this evolving landscape, our association’s structure proved cumbersome and unresponsive. Low cost carriers became the rage. Management quickly learned to leverage that once reliable benchmark strategy against us in a race to the bottom. Antiquated Railway Labor Laws, Bankruptcy Manipulation, Legal Corporate M&A Cannibalization…

Imagine... What if we’d anticipated rather than reacted. Imagine the year 1977, when our Association set a new standard. A new structure. With the old guard grandfathered and wages protected, we'd evolve to redesign a new system where a National Airline Pilot Association negotiates a standard contract for all of its chapter associates. A universal CBA that calculates, then averages the fixed cost per pilot for services across all airlines and across the nation. From the pool of funds, of course, a pilot is paid a variable rate based on years of service.

Imagine that. An airline goes belly-up, no problem. When the vacuum is filled by competitors, pilots simply make a lateral move. Left seat, right seat, it doesn’t matter. All are paid by years of service. No starting at the bottom of the pay scale as if you’d never spun a prop before.

Imagine…a fellowship among pilots. A proud profession where our strength is our unity. And we owe it all to ALPA's vision.

But, anyway. No time for sentiment when we’ve got the East over there, leading the morality race to the bottom by any professional measure. You do provide an invaluable service to our cause. Gorilla warfare is such an archaic term. I prefer, special forces. Your aim is laser-like. Your psychological strikes, surgical. Your tactics demoralize, provoke emotion, cloud reason, distract, and destabilize. The ancillary benefit, of course, is that this intimidation serves two purposes. It helps keep our own soldiers on the narrow for fear of their own public humiliation and ostracism.


I do respect that kind of dedication to our cause.
 
Move2CLT said:
"FYI, Graceson IS NOT a west pilot. Please do not feed this troll."


Thanks, Move2.

You're one of our best soldiers. You're one of a few who have the volition to stand at the front and brave the onslaught of those who've lost any sense of ethical direction. Their moral compass points in one direction only – down.

Sad, don't you think? That it's come to this. Our once proud Association consisted of chapters throughout the country, individual and separate. A successful strategy -- each chapter perpetually setting a higher benchmark for the next to leapfrog to greater rewards. It was effective. The CAB regulated airfares and controlled competition. There was always enough revenue to cover the rising benchmark of our profession.

Then Kahn came along and it all went terribly wrong. Our association failed to evolve to meet the new challenges. While management surfed the shifting sands of this evolving landscape, our association's structure proved cumbersome and unresponsive. Low cost carriers became the rage. Management quickly learned to leverage that once reliable benchmark strategy against us in a race to the bottom. Antiquated Railway Labor Laws, Bankruptcy Manipulation, Legal Corporate M&A Cannibalization…

Imagine... What if we'd anticipated rather than reacted. Imagine the year 1977, when our Association set a new standard. A new structure. With the old guard grandfathered and wages protected, we'd evolve to redesign a new system where a National Airline Pilot Association negotiates a standard contract for all of its chapter associates. A universal CBA that calculates, then averages the fixed cost per pilot for services across all airlines and across the nation. From the pool of funds, of course, a pilot is paid a variable rate based on years of service.

Imagine that. An airline goes belly-up, no problem. When the vacuum is filled by competitors, pilots simply make a lateral move. Left seat, right seat, it doesn't matter. All are paid by years of service. No starting at the bottom of the pay scale as if you'd never spun a prop before.

Imagine…a fellowship among pilots. A proud profession where our strength is our unity. And we owe it all to ALPA's vision.

But, anyway. No time for sentiment when we've got the East over there, leading the morality race to the bottom by any professional measure. You do provide an invaluable service to our cause. Gorilla warfare is such an archaic term. I prefer, special forces. Your aim is laser-like. Your psychological strikes, surgical. Your tactics demoralize, provoke emotion, cloud reason, distract, and destabilize. The ancillary benefit, of course, is that this intimidation serves two purposes. It helps keep our own soldiers on the narrow for fear of their own public humiliation and ostracism.


I do respect that kind of dedication to our cause.

I believe he called you an Easthole!!!
 
Graceson-
It doesn't matter if it's airline labor or steelworkers or pipefitters, unions are a throwback to a time that no longer exists.

For them to remain relevant, they would have to betray the very fervor that formed them at the dawn of the industrial revolution. Once America became merely a participant in global production rather than a leader and price-maker, unions had to compete with the third-world in way they never had to in the early 1900's. They are ill-equipped to wage war on industry. Unions now are best suited to advise management on worker's concerns and help implement increasingly productive technology.

As the economic woes related to the housing collapse prove, many Americans are unwilling to take a realistic look at how poor they really are and live off cheap credit to keep that fantasy alive. American management knows insures that there is no credible threat of a strike as long as folks are one paycheck from the soup line. The current President is the poster child for living beyond your means and making poor investments with borrowed money.

A Presidential candidate who could articulate this truth to the American people would be the best thing that could happen to our nation and the least likely person to get elected.
 
Graceson-
It doesn't matter if it's airline labor or steelworkers or pipefitters, unions are a throwback to a time that no longer exists.

For them to remain relevant, they would have to betray the very fervor that formed them at the dawn of the industrial revolution. Once America became merely a participant in global production rather than a leader and price-maker, unions had to compete with the third-world in way they never had to in the early 1900's. They are ill-equipped to wage war on industry. Unions now are best suited to advise management on worker's concerns and help implement increasingly productive technology.

As the economic woes related to the housing collapse prove, many Americans are unwilling to take a realistic look at how poor they really are and live off cheap credit to keep that fantasy alive. American management knows insures that there is no credible threat of a strike as long as folks are one paycheck from the soup line. The current President is the poster child for living beyond your means and making poor investments with borrowed money.

A Presidential candidate who could articulate this truth to the American people would be the best thing that could happen to our nation and the least likely person to get elected.

so, would you propose electing a man who got everything from his inheritance?

How about electing a party that realizes we work for them only because there are laws restricting slavery now.....
 
so, would you propose electing a man who got everything from his inheritance?

How about electing a party that realizes we work for them only because there are laws restricting slavery now.....

Just to be accurate, he gave his entire inheritance to charity. All of his wealth is personally earned from applying himself in school and then being successful in the consulting and investing business. Now if you said his father helped him by paying for his college, that would be a different story. His father was high school educated carpenter that rose to be the head of auto company but what father of similar story wouldn't want to help his kid or kids get the college education he never did.
 
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