AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

I guess you have some options.....You can ride it out or you can leave like me or you can go to work for UCAL or DAL. Look at the bright side....you have two more options than I have!


Bob

I think I will ride it out and see how this AMR deal goes down....maybe if enough guys like you leave, it could turn out a decent deal for the rest of the LCC pilots.

 

[luvn737s]

I guess you have some options.....You can ride it out or you can leave like me or you can go to work for UCAL or DAL. Look at the bright side....you have two more options than I have!


Bob

Does that mean you'll abstain from voting?

 

[nevergiveup]

You are a complete idiot...he does not want to compare w2's with you...if he is like me, he want you to compare your w2 to a SWA, or DAL, or UCAL pilots w2 and notice that narrow body captains at those companies make more than an east Captain and F/O make combined.

No fuzzy math needed, just a stupid bunch of reneging malcontent POS usapa supporting morons who to this day just can't get over the fact that their career as they knew it was over in 2004, and would have been trashed completely had AWA not aquired their company.

Go ahead genius.....do the math. and, oh,,,please show your work.

I think you meant how LOA 93 saved AWA and your career. You're welcome.

 

[Res Judicata]

I think you meant how LOA 93 saved AWA and your career. You're welcome.

You people are brain damaged. I cannot wait until the APA shows up and we all get to watch USCABA spin down the toilet bowl of history like the huge POS it is.

 

[nevergiveup]

You people are brain damaged. I cannot wait until the APA shows up and we all get to watch USCABA spin down the toilet bowl of history like the huge POS it is.

The truth hurts. And yes....I am your father!

 

[Graceson]

If the BPR decides not to send this for a vote, then Parker assume USAPA warrants no further negotiation. To send in a NAC with a professional negotiator who signs off on a MOU, then indicate with a NO recommendation that the negotiators were not authorized to negotiate on behalf of the pilots tells him he is wasting his time with amatuers.

I would say the outcome of tomorrows BPR meeting should determine whether or not to hold a representation election to kick USAPA to the curb.

Take a lesson from parker. Don't negotiatate with managgement. If you want a seat at the table, go through the back door like he did. Negotiate with APA. That party is not strapped by an NDA.

 

[767one]

Does that mean you'll abstain from voting?

Next time you see a shooting star put that on your wish list but don't hold your breath. I have voted on every issue that I was given a chance to vote on with ALPA and USAPA so I'm going to vote until I leave.


Bob

 

[Claxon]

Take a lesson from parker. Don't negotiatate with managgement. If you want a seat at the table, go through the back door like he did. Negotiate with APA. That party is not strapped by an NDA.

Exactly. Have no dealings with Parker and his Franke abomination. This airline Franke started has been a scourge on the entire industry. Back door Parker and talk with Horton and APA. Leave Parker and Franke Air out of the equation. Parker is totally incapable of pulling off a merger. He runs a mediocre operation that derives its' cash from fees and tag ons. SWA and the rest innovate, Parker merely acts like flea or tick, and sucks the life out of passengers and employees.

 

[Claxon]

You people are brain damaged. I cannot wait until the APA shows up and we all get to watch USCABA spin down the toilet bowl of history like the huge POS it is.

USAPA owns you. Most likely Parker will fail again, and you will be trapped in Franke Air for years to come.

 

[Piedmont1984]

If the BPR meeting is open and anyone here is attending and you have a smart phone and you can type with your thumbs and you can multi task - feel free to post updates.

Thanks

 

[Graceson]

Back door Parker and talk with Horton and APA.

Nope. The dynamics of the battlefield have changed. We need only to flush out APA as an ally or adversary. If ally, then prove it.

 

[luvthe9]

Excerpts from a letter.............But this is not all of it. People often ask me where I get some of my news. It often comes from trusted pilots that have friends in high places. In this case, it's a very high value source over at American. I can't divulge that source or it will cease being a source. But this source told me that the APA is not impressed with our Gary Hummel. It seems that when Gary was in DFW meeting with the APA leadership, in an after hours bar called the Trinity Bar, Gary let the APA leadership know what he thinks about our BPR and it was very unflattering. Once again undermining our position in negotiations. These APA BOD's say they found Gary to be unprofessional and were taken back by his behavior. In their world, they vote on decisions, the President carries it out and if he doesn't....they ask for his resignation and he gives it. Any problems stay behind closed doors and they present a unified group to management. Speaking as Gary apparently did about our Board undermined their faith in him.

The company has made pitting one pilot group against the other an art form. Make no mistake, the APA will quickly become our competitors in the limited amounts of money and flying protections that Parker is throwing out here. The APA Leadership will work as hard as they can to get as much as they can for their members and if that means taking some from us to do it, that will be how it will work. Parker will just tell them if they want more, they need to get it from us and allowing the APA Leaders a peak into our union and that we are not unified will only make it that much easier for them. The fact is, the BPR is unified and in this case, it was unified against Hummel.

I applaud the Compass Correction for demanding more cooperation with the APA. But I never saw any criticism about Hummel's role in the MOU fiasco. It seems to me that if you are going to fix the problem, you had better identify it first. HUMMEL HAS GOT TO GO NOW!!!!!!

 

[traderjake]

Gary let the APA leadership know what he thinks about our BPR and it was very unflattering.

Give Hummel credit for getting something right.

 

[Res Judicata]

Excerpts from a letter.............But this is not all of it. People often ask me where I get some of my news. It often comes from trusted pilots that have friends in high places. In this case, it's a very high value source over at American. I can't divulge that source or it will cease being a source. But this source told me that the APA is not impressed with our Gary Hummel. It seems that when Gary was in DFW meeting with the APA leadership, in an after hours bar called the Trinity Bar, Gary let the APA leadership know what he thinks about our BPR and it was very unflattering. Once again undermining our position in negotiations. These APA BOD's say they found Gary to be unprofessional and were taken back by his behavior. In their world, they vote on decisions, the President carries it out and if he doesn't....they ask for his resignation and he gives it. Any problems stay behind closed doors and they present a unified group to management. Speaking as Gary apparently did about our Board undermined their faith in him.

The company has made pitting one pilot group against the other an art form. Make no mistake, the APA will quickly become our competitors in the limited amounts of money and flying protections that Parker is throwing out here. The APA Leadership will work as hard as they can to get as much as they can for their members and if that means taking some from us to do it, that will be how it will work. Parker will just tell them if they want more, they need to get it from us and allowing the APA Leaders a peak into our union and that we are not unified will only make it that much easier for them. The fact is, the BPR is unified and in this case, it was unified against Hummel.

I applaud the Compass Correction for demanding more cooperation with the APA. But I never saw any criticism about Hummel's role in the MOU fiasco. It seems to me that if you are going to fix the problem, you had better identify it first. HUMMEL HAS GOT TO GO NOW!!!!!!

Gee, I wonder who wrote this pile of lies and B.S.. Hint: drop the obsessive use of the scary phrase, "Make no mistake"...that old chestnut is found in every communique from the inbred dips**t colony known as Charlotte.

 

[Res Judicata]

USAPA owns you. Most likely Parker will fail again, and you will be trapped in Franke Air for years to come.

The West broke USAPAs back all the while shoving LOA93 into Your deepest recesses. USAPA owns a Ford Taurus. That's it...although it probably looks like a Ferarri compared to what you can afford. HA!