AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

The west can carry on secure in the knowledge that they did what was right by abiding by their obligations, and that gains them respect and requires no explanation or justification. While the events have not yielded the outcome we would desire, (yet) in some ways I think we are far better off if all we have secured is the moral high ground.

The tragic facts are that we will be unable to send any relief ship to the strange little planet you've crashed on. Best wishes and good luck. While the flight surgeons are concerned with the obviously psychotropic vegetation there...well....cherish whatever delusions you find necessary in order to survive. Earth out. 😉

 

[Beancounter]

Bottom of the barrel airline to be specific. Be honest and admit Franke Air Hired you because of your limited education and experience. And then you went out and hired more like yourself with limited education who could not get hired anywhere but Franke Air.

Now, it's been a while, but if I remember right when I got hired at AWA I had/was:

• Turned 30 not long before
• 7000 hrs
• 121 check airman
• 121 chief pilot
• 2 college degrees w/3.7 GPA

How many shuttle landings do you have? I'm guessing from the way you spout off, at least some carrier landings. Maybe you're the exception, but several east pilots I've called out on the rug only had a few thousand hours when hired. About the same experrience I had when I was hired by a commuter, not a major.

Bean

 

[A320 Driver]

YEA, Good for you and your moral high ground, WORTHLESS and will be SOLD! Alleviates alot of lawsuits and makes things simple, DOT market share in a merger, and since the T/A has not been fulfilled it will be null and void, ie "OPERATIONAL INTEGRATION, seperate ratification, etc, "TOAST"! That list is as useless as ATA, see ya!

LOL!!!!!!

There is not another person on this board that does more talking out of their a$$ than you do. The West is going nowhere and if you bothered to educate yourself, you would know that it is essential to the merger with AA to keep our marketshare in the West.

I don't know...after thinking about it for a few minutes I've concluded that you say things like this just to tick people off. NOBODY is this stupid.

Driver...

 

[nycbusdriver]

About the same experrience I had when I was hired by a commuter, not a major.

Bean

Mesa? Just curious.

 

[Elevation]

Hiyo Silver, Sept 26 2pm. See you there scabs.

 

[nevergiveup]

Hiyo Silver, Sept 26 2pm. See you there scabs.

I believe you need to insert a comma.

 

[fatherabraham]

Recall Organization Committee Charlotte

Balanced & Objective Representation for Charlotte Based USAPA pilots

See Story: http://www.rocclt.org/#!home/mainPage​

320,

Balanced eh? Where's your name on the list of members? Let's take a peek at existing list your promoting and see where the seniority level resides. Don't seem to see any " seniority challenged " folk, only the " I've got mine " boys.

Numbers rounded to nearest 100

Michael A -1400
Rich A -1700
Mike B -1500
Steve B- 1000
Randy C -100
Marty F- 800
Kirk G- 1700
Len G -800
Gary H -600
Tom M - 1400
Mark M -900
Charlie P -Zero
Dennis R -200
George S- 1200
Rick Z -1000



Usa320 -1100
That brings the average of you 16 to 1000 rounded up

FA - 2400

 

[Ames]

The final and binding truth is neither you or Doug Parker can impose the Nic. That is the one and only truth. Since 2007. No Nic. It is just not going to happen.

Post #2021. I will keep coming back to this one. It's perfect. Oral arguments scheduled by Judge Silver on the 26th of September. Will I see you there? The end is near. Remember to take your meds and stay away from sharp objects.

 

[Ames]

Not so youngling, and I truly must marvel at your even being capable of any such fantasy. I'm both very pleased and proud of having done even my small part in thwarting the utterly immoral schemes of greed-soaked people like yourself, who would cheerfully steal your supposed "seniority" from those with far more years worked than you.....Pretty basic stuff really...

Oh well!...Whatever gets you through the day..... 😉

Tomato, tomatoe. You're proud of the scumbagerry of not honoring your agreements and we are proud of standing up to the injustice. Oral arguments have been scheduled by the judge and soon we will see which side prevails.

Stay proud. Pride cometh before the fall.

 

[Ames]

True or False: You're personally, just fine with stepping way ahead of another in your same class and craft, who's worked far longer than yourself?....And yet are strangely possessed with completely insane fantasies that you're somehow consumed with "Integrity" while lusting after the chance to do that? What do you ever use for a moral compass if you can't immediately find some arbitrator/lawyer/whatever to instruct you? I could almost feel sorry for such as yourself......seriously.

Yes I am. When this "merger" was consumated I was a captain with 7 years at AWA. US Airways had pilots at the very bottom of their list, FO's on reserve who "worked far longer than myself".

I have no intention of stepping aside simply because your bottom dwelling FO's chose to cling to a crappy job at a failing carrier. I chose AWA and never considered applying to the failing carrier because I saw a better future at AWA.

If you fools were to get your way I would have pilots who were on furlough, with no more than 6 years of active service placed more than 700 numbers senior to me.

Unacceptable.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Father A said: "Balanced eh? Where's your name on the list of members? Let's take a peek at existing list your promoting and see where the seniority level resides. Don't seem to see any " seniority challenged " folk, only the " I've got mine " boys.

Numbers rounded to nearest 100

Michael A -1400
Rich A -1700
Mike B -1500
Steve B- 1000
Randy C -100
Marty F- 800
Kirk G- 1700
Len G -800
Gary H -600
Tom M - 1400
Mark M -900
Charlie P -Zero
Dennis R -200
George S- 1200
Rick Z -1000



Usa320 -1100
That brings the average of you 16 to 1000 rounded up

FA - 2400
"
Seniority challenged is another word for "junior." My guess is about half of any airline pilot list might fall in that category. The recall process is not defined by requiring an even sampling of the seniority list in order to merit an election. But when the actual recall vote occurs, and assuming everyone that can votes, the median seniority of those voting will be exactly in the middle of that particular base alignment.

Your biased concern about your own place on the list is exactly the problem with a lot of our BPR members. They are supposed to address the concerns of all their pilots, not just their own group. But in the end the recall is what it is. If enough pilots are unhappy with the performance of certain reps, recall is just about the only option available to remove them or change their offending behavior.

Remember, a seniority number of 1200 in CLT (McKee) still puts C/O's on Reserve, hardly a "senior" position. Why don't you post the seniority of the 8 East Reps? I believe Stein is the most senior, and although not based in CLT, his number is just South of 1200.

Greeter

 

[fatherabraham]

Yes I am.


If you fools ...........

Ames,

Your personal example seems unjust........however you replied you were fine with East Q above. Seems contradictory .

Proverbs 26:4
New International Version (NIV)
 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
    or you yourself will be just like him.

Do you really think it wise to reference Easties as fools?

FA

 

[Ames]

Ames,

Your personal example seems unjust........however you replied you were fine with East Q above. Seems contradictory .

Proverbs 26:4
New International Version (NIV)
Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.

Do you really think it wise to reference Easties as fools?

FA

Yes. You, for the most part, are fools. We wouldn't be in the situation we're in otherwise. I think it's really sad that you need to twist scripture to suit your needs, "father abraham". More than sad. Pathetic.

 

[fatherabraham]

Remember, a seniority number of 1200 in CLT (McKee) still puts C/O's on Reserve, hardly a "senior" position. Why don't you post the seniority of the 8 East Reps? I believe Stein is the most senior, and although not based in CLT, his number is just South of 1200.

Greeter

Greeter,

No issues with part of ur post I cut. I was simply shedding some light on possible " bias " 320 was promoting.

Let me remind you that The bottom of " never furloughed " east list completed 24 years of service this past July and your 1200 example 27 years the same month. So the 1200 class been here 12% longer. Now factor in the 1200 class has seen pay of c/o rate for possibly 80% plus of career. Not even a comparison with July 88 class.
Therefore I'm glad we're both ok with majority will.
You and I both have been sold out to varying degree by the senior folk in 80's & 90's.
Plz don't become one of those types.

FA

 

[fatherabraham]

Yes. You, for the most part, are fools. We wouldn't be in the situation we're in otherwise. I think it's really sad that you need to twist scripture to suit your needs, "father abraham". More than sad. Pathetic.

I strive for humility and please correct me when needed. Trust me, I hate when the Word is twisted. However I think it really really hard to find justification for such a slanderous word.

FA