AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

They tried 6 years on you first, and you rejoice with 3. You people are the weakest in the industry by far. And the COC is the big prize you are too stupid to recognize.

 

[Claxon]

Not likely to happen........just like your loa93 rates snapped back. Like taking candy from babies.........Why not give them 3 years more ? After all, you just outdid UAL and DAL on profit.

 

[A320 Driver]

Well in all honesty I expected nothing less than what was brought to us, after all you have president management pilot and former ALPA memebers in there. We were screwed from the start. But now comes the hard part how do we doctor this up to make it look great for the pilot group.

So you walked in there with a pre-conceived notion about what was going to happen. Most of us went in with an open mind and listened to EVERYTHING they had to say.

I don't think they will doctor up anything. They were very patient to present the MOU without any spin. Nothing was hidden and no real revelations came out of the questions asked by the BPR or the pilots in the back. I think when the pilot group looks at each item side by side with where we are now, there are more +s than -s.

I think we would be screwed if we go into this merger with no protections and no equal footing. And if this merger doesn't happen, this MOU gets scrapped, no harm, no foul.

That is what I got out of it.

Driver...

 

[traderjake]

I have explained my position on the Nic to you over and over and over again.

Like I said, pay attention, or STFU.

You'll have to wait until we fly together before I take any orders from you.

How old were you when you first knew you wanted to break commitments you made?

I ask again, should we abide by the Nicolau award and stop fighting it?

Or is your position it's unavoidable but USAPA was right to fight the award?

 

[N924PS]

I think we would be screwed if we go into this merger with no protections and no equal footing. And if this merger doesn't happen, this MOU gets scrapped, no harm, no foul.

Except that anyone over the age of about 58 finishes their career under LOA 93.....

 

[A320 Driver]

Another opportunity to extend LOA 93. My money says the easterners sign on in droves. Record profits and your idiot Hummel brings you this garbage. He is an idiot of the highest order.

Opinions vary...

 

[USA320Pilot]

Today Dean Colello briefed the BPR in "open session" on some of the MOU's details. The MOU is complete. Next week the NAC, APA NC, and the Company are going to meet in Dallas to work on the JCBA. Here are some bits and pieces of information:

APA Term Sheet pay rates will become effective the day AMR's POR is confirmed by the bankruptcy court (day 1 of the merger).

3-year DAL/UAL parity review. This will be a total cockpit costs vs just a pay rate comparison and will include: Compensation, Vacation, Retirement, & Health and Welfare.

Negotiations for new CBA 48 months after POR confirmation.

Pay protection at hourly pay rate, which lasts until a pilot can hold that rate or better some where else (USAPA and APA do not agree with this point, which will be discussed further in JCBA discussions. If there is no JCBA agreement the matter will go to arbitration after 60 days of the merger closing).

STD/LTD - Pilots with over 1000 hours sick balance retain balances over over 1000 hours. However, if a pilots has over 1,000 hours they will get 60 additional hours per year, but they will lose the unused balance over 1,000 it at the end of the year if they don't use it or sell it back. For our PHX-based pre-merger AWA pilots there will be 3-year STD bridge, which will start when new LTD benefits begin.

Joint CBA will apply with any corporate structure of AMR and US Airways.

Reimburse USAPA for merger expenses.

Positive space travel for committees.

SLI per McCaskill-Bond.

Furlough protection for any pilot not on furlough at date of signing of the CBA.

Scope: LOA 96 (Transition Agreement) Minimum Block Hours, base line total flying look back 12 months from effective date while fleet separate, narrowbody look back must remain within 5%, widebody look back within 10%, AA E190 fair distribution starts after the 31st aircraft (they will get 2 for 1 aircraft delivered), Shuttle flying by East pilots, current US Airways Hawaii flying done by PHX-based crews.

Company permitted to place AA code on US Airways flights and US Airway code on AA flights (US Airways Express & AA Eagle included).

USAPA waives CoC clause, LPP's, and LOA 96 (Transition Agreement) minimum fleet count. CoC eliminated so transaction can be AMR purchase of US Airways, which makes the deal less expensive.

$10,000 signing bonus per pilot.

The MOU is a signed document between the Company and USAPA. There are no other negotiations scheduled. Tomorrow the BPR will determine whether or not the pilots will vote on the MOU. If the BPR decides to send out the agreement for membership ratification there will be roadshows, educational materials produced, and information provided to the membership.

I understand all three of USAPA's attorneys firmly believe that the MOU must be voted on by the pilot group. They believe that should the BPR turn down the MOU, the company will not engage in any further negotiations with USAPA. In addition, USAPA's Legal Department believes that time is of the essence and that "we can either jump on the train or watch the train leave us behind."

USA320Pilot

 

[Claxon]

Of course time is of the essence. The rush jobs work well on fools like this who read the fine print well after the fact. Just like LOA 93. Perhaps you would be well served missing this train. Loved the COC reasoning. Makes it cheaper....... Because they would have to pay you millions. Chip pie has not met a deal yet he can t say no to. It just is not in his makeup.

 

[Barrister]

They sure did...right up Bradford's ###....

Read the MOU...seniority by MB.

MB says any interested party has the right to address the arbitrator. Know of any legally certified class within the LCC pilot group that could be considered an interested party?

Newflash for all usapa idiots willing to pay a minutes attention. Any seniority list other than the Nic passed by usapa in any seniority integration between LCC and another company would immediately make a ripe DFR. A union using an unauthorized, illegal list to harm its membership stands very close to zero chance of escaping an immediate injunction.

That's where you are wrong..a 30 billion per corp held up by 1700 pissants out west. Don't hold your breath...on second thought!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[A320 Driver]

Of course time is of the essence. The rush jobs work well on fools like this who read the fine print well after the fact. Just like LOA 93. Perhaps you would be well served missing this train. Loved the COC reasoning. Makes it cheaper....... Because they would have to pay you millions. Chip pie has not met a deal yet he can t say no to. It just is not in his makeup.

We ended up on LOA93 when 5 members of our MEC thought they knew more than our advisors. And here we are again. Our lawyers, advisors, NAC and professional negotiator ALL said this was the deal. So vote your conscience and let others vote theirs.

Driver...

 

[Barrister]

If we lose our sick bank that's a deal breaker for me.

It should still be put out for a vote by the pilots.

So you losing some sick bank is a deal breaker for you but placing new hires who HAVE NEVER FLOWN A LINE TRIP AHEAD OF A 17 YEAR NEVER FURLOUGHRD U PILOT ISN'T

YOU MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[BoeingBoy]

So vote your conscience and let others vote theirs.

Driver...

While there will be no shortage of people happy to tell everyone how to vote, that's the best advice anyone could give.

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

Of course time is of the essence. The rush jobs work well on fools like this who read the fine print well after the fact. Just like LOA 93. Perhaps you would be well served missing this train. Loved the COC reasoning. Makes it cheaper....... Because they would have to pay you millions. Chip pie has not met a deal yet he can t say no to. It just is not in his makeup.

Claxon,

I find your personal insults interesting and speak loudly about your character.

Separately, every USAPA legal, financial, and negotiating advisor is recommending the BPR send the MOU out for membership ratification and that the pilots approve the agreement. If the pilots don't ratify the MOU than they can live with LOA 93/C2004. I choose to listen to the advisors versus agry, bitter pilots. Furthermore, I believe in a democratic society the membership should decide versus the new RC5.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[luvn737s]

Slipping out of the life vest ALPA provided must have felt so liberating! Suing youe enemies with their own money probably felt so vindictive. Writing up perfectly good airplanes in order to gin up a safety campaign felt so satisfying.

So how does it feel to be force fed your destiny knowing that you could have compromised and faced this from a position of strength rather than pitiful weakness?

 

[luvn737s]

but placing new hires who HAVE NEVER FLOWN A LINE TRIP AHEAD OF A 17 YEAR NEVER FURLOUGHRD U PILOT ISN'T

YOU MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE

NICDOA
NPJB

So that's why they call you a junior puke, eh?