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AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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767one,
You have the big picture. This was a scripted plan by the company. They have exceeded the goals that they set from the beginning. The Compass guys are in damage control mode big time. They created this monster and they will have to be the ones to destroy it. I personally think its to late. Good luck to all of us.
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This MOU has created more confusion and consternation rather than clarification. The compny's latest ploy seems too contrived. I'm not even sure we need an MOU right now. We WILL have a seat at the table when time comes to hammer out a Transition Agreement, which unlike the MOU, is required. Then, if the company wishes to broach whole sections of our contract which are irrelevant to the narrow scope which the MOU was intended for - those sections and protections can be costed properly and negotiated without coercion.
 
Gary,
I write this letter after much thought and consideration of our personal friendship and professional relationship. When you were EVP and under many political attacks, I defended you when no one else would. I wrote you a letter of recommendation for EVP when you were relatively unknown to many. I withdrew my own presidential run and supported your presidential campaign from the outside the best I could. Your brother-in-law is my best friend. In short, I am the least likely person in the union to be critical of your administration.

Since before your election, you indicated that you wanted me to be your NAC Chairman. In those conversations, I explained what I felt it would take to achieve an industry standard contract. As you recall, we agreed that it would take an entire rebuilding of the union decision making structure into a well-organized, highly efficient, strategically superior organization that would gather input for a global strategy for success against the ever evolving airline management’s tactics. All of that was nice conversation, but virtually none of that has been implemented, and it is causing us to be in a confusingly weak position.

From day one of your administration, you shut out almost every source of input except your attorney’s. You basically informed the NAC and the Board what needed to be done only after you and the attorneys had pretty much set the course. The NAC were scared for their jobs and offered no resistance, at first that is. When Paul did finally try to do something about the lack of continuity in negotiations - he was fired. Make no mistake, it is well known that I have advocated a change in NAC leadership, but you chose to keep the current Chairman, then circumnavigate him and send mixed messages to management. Do I think that you, as President, should be able to negotiate with the company? Yes, but only after consultation with the Board and NAC as to what the goal is so we send a consistent, clear, firm message to management. There was never any real vetting of all the options - no due diligence. It was just the merger is going to move us from this dead zone we are in and that’s all I care about.

Look at the position USAPA is in now. The NAC, which works for the board, says that we should accept the MOU. The board which directs the NAC unanimously says the MOU is not worthy of a yes vote, but then lets the membership decide. And the President, who is supposed to carry out the will of the board, is working behind the scenes to get the MOU passed. What message does this send to the company? This is a carbon copy of Bill Pollack and the dysfunctional “Let my daddy vote” time years ago. The pilots will pay the price for this dysfunction with this MOU and also with our negotiations with APA. The message that the company and the APA is hearing is, “I want a merger at any price, the board doesn’t know what it is doing, and the pilots will cave.” This MOU should never have been presented in open session. It has caused the desired affect that you and the company wanted - line pilot controversy and pressure.

Had the MOU been constructed in the normal way of board input and daily board updates, then they would not have been put into such a precarious position of learning the details, digesting the ups and downs, and deciding whether to approve it or not in the course of a special meeting in open session. Instead, it was a total surprise to the board and they were left to face the preplanned political pressure of line pilots in the room with dollar signs in their eyes. Now, I’m guessing at your request, Scott Kirby is going to address the board and put the “Fear of God” in them. He will threaten us to live under LOA 93 for years to come for no other reason than spite and it appears you will be shoulder to shoulder with him!

Under ALPA and the APA’s structure, the board elects the President or MEC Chairman. Captain Bates was fired for not fulfilling the will of the board and pilots. The will of the board is to disapprove this MOU. There should be a strong message from the President to the company and the pilots, that you too feel it is lacking and you do not support it. Anything less is a breach of your duty to the Office of President and disrespectful to the board that represents the pilot group. In addition, if management feels the President does not stand with his board, they will use that to their advantage at the detriment of the pilots’ livelihood.

Do what you will with this letter, but I hope you will read it with an open heart and mind and realize that it is meant for only the most honorable proposes. Another great letter!!!!!
 
Somebody please explain something here. Taking a step back and looking at this whole process.

WE (USAPA) approached the company for this MOU. What exactly do we get from this MOU and what do we loose?
  1. Seems we get the “seat at the table” (though reading further wouldn’t we have one anyways?)
  2. We get pay parity at POR (which we might be able to get anyways) .
  3. 10k signing bonus
  4. No furlough
  5. Equal increase or decrease of block time, with no floor on the bottom
  6. Some pay protection for displacement to 190.
  7. Higher pay protection on 190 than what is in APA term sheet. But ends when you can hold higher paying position at any base in the system.
  8. GIVE UP COC, MIN BLOCK TIME, MIN FLEET, HUGE PARTS OF SCOPE
  9. Per the APA term sheet, code share with Alaska and Hawaiian, in addition to domestic code share with anyone up to 4% of our domestic ASM’s.
  10. Essentially this MOU takes the place of the transition agreement they are obligated to negotiate anyways.

Now without the MOU what happens?
  1. Parker gets AMR
  2. At POR, APA has their term sheet modifying THEIR contract.
  3. Within 60 days of POR a TRANSITION agreement is negotiated.
  4. At time LCC meets single carrier status APA will file for such within 6 months.
  5. At granting of single carrier status APA (or surviving union, assuming APA) will negotiate a JCBA within 90 days. If not completed within 90 days it will go to arbitration, with the arbitrators required to adhere to the cost sections of the APA term sheet.

So in essence Mr. Glass saw an opportunity to get a lot from us, with a shortened time frame and deadline attached to it. US would have gotten major concessions from us, for almost no cost to them. They don’t NEED the MOU as they already have a road map laid out with the APA term sheet. They have already figured what the cost of traveling that road will be, and have found it acceptable. With the MOU, as Parker has stated, it will be a lot easier and cheaper without that pesky COC language in there (not to mention the gutting of our scope and other items without so much as a wimper from us)

They very well knew of the discourse regarding the MOU and could have delayed the NDA by a few days to iron out details. Instead they are rolling the dice figuring they have the 50+1 voted by 9/21. Essentially saying, we have you, one way or the other. Easier with the MOU and easier road to greater profits. A little bit longer road and higher costs without the MOU.

With or Without the MOU we will most likely be steamrolled by what the APA interests are, through JCBA process, BUT WITHOUT the MOU we at least have items to trade for better language and protections of some of our interests starting with the negotiation of the transition agreement.

So someone explain why we should not panic, step back, and see the process through?
 
A MESSAGE TO THE BOARD:

Scott Kirby is going to deliver an ultimatum. He is going to threaten the only thing he can - LOA 93 and the current West contract for years to come. I would like someone to ask him in the meeting, “Why would you do that?” If the answer is essentially that “I can”, I would ask if I could quote him for our letter to the NMB. We are approaching 3 years past our amendable date. How much longer can he convince the NMB that our current contract is acceptable given that he will have just signed one with APA in bankruptcy that is better? I am confident he won’t do it. In a merger the size of the proposed one and as far reaching in network, it would not be worth having to work around such an operation as that. Not to mention, can he even do that? Would the APA allow him to run a separate “Mainline” type airline? If he could do it, what would be the reason? SPITE is the only answer. If he is so spiteful as to operate LCC separately just to make us pay and suffer then I would make a very clear statement to him in this meeting that we will publicly fight the merger with every resource we have (Media) and tell the investors, politicians, and public just what kind of P.O.S. [url=""%5D%5B/url%5D(not those words of course) he is. I would be happy to be a proxy for anyone that would like to make sure that this management is clear on our views of how we have been treated for the last five years and how we will not continue this passive stance.



Roland Wilder came to this fight late in the game. He has not bled and sweated like we have. He has not lived under the conditions that we have. To him, these contract losses are merely words in a sentence. He really does not understand the implications of these contractual gray areas. He does not fully understand the ruthlessness of this management when given the contractual ability to do things. Even if we get the things we want in the MOU, this merger and contract is concessionary in many ways. It’s not all good. In my view, this MOU is almost as damaging as LOA 93 was to our 98 contract and one notch below the pension loss.
A question for both East and West, have you thought about the seniority list? Are you willing to take the list from its current legal status in the court system to an arbitrary process? My only point in bringing this up is to go into this thing with our eyes wide open.



· What we are asking for is reasonable and tremendously short of our earlier positions.
· The company can comply easily with our reasonable requests and still have the industry’s most cost effective contract.
· If they can’t show us an ounce of respect and dignity now, what can we expect later with no scope or leverage at all?
· The company will take as long as you give, now and in the future.
· The company will only give if you show them you are serious.
· Be at peace with your decision. Cleary has to be laughing his ars off.
 
A 100% No vote would send a big message to mgmt......
"The concession stand is CLOSED"
Vote NO.
 
  1. At POR, APA has their term sheet modifying THEIR contract.
  2. Within 60 days of POR a TRANSITION agreement is negotiated.
  3. At time LCC meets single carrier status APA will file for such within 6 months.
  4. At granting of single carrier status APA (or surviving union, assuming APA) will negotiate a JCBA within 90 days. If not completed within 90 days it will go to arbitration, with the arbitrators required to adhere to the cost sections of the APA term sheet.

Where is this from, the term sheet?
 
Yes it's scattered through the American term sheet. So it's not as if this merger happens that we are locked out. We are at the table day 1 of por negotiating a transition agreement. The question is can we get it right this time?
 
Yes it's scattered through the American term sheet. So it's not as if this merger happens that we are locked out. We are at the table day 1 of por negotiating a transition agreement. The question is can we get it right this time?

Thanks
 
Wouldn't those sections effectively remove the chance of staying on loa93/c2004 for the duration

The term sheet spells out specific time frames. The only hiccup is the j ba does not go into effect until a sli is approved
 
What's with the changing of the USAPA update from The company will sign the NDA to is going to honor AA's request to not negotiate with us?
 
How do we know DUI hasn't cut a deal with the 2 WEST negotiators Hummel put in there? After all when the "EAST VALUABLE" provisions ie, SCOPE and COC are gutted in event of a transaction GARY, and the C, CORRUPTION BOYS, DAVE C. , MARK KING, ERIC R, WOODY M. who engineered this train, give in to their ego, and have been played like a concert pianist, relize what they have done come crying to the EAST we were sold out?! MM
Here we go again. Blame someone else. So the 2 west negotiators are now in control of the entire union. You think that Hummel would cut a deal with the 2 west negotiators bypassing his own east negotiators. These 2 west negotiators then convince the 8 EAST reps to vote yes while the west reps voted no to giving away all these concessions. You truly are a nut and a victim in your own mind. The reason we are all in this position is because of you and people like you. Once again this is the west trying to help you and dig you out of the hole you guys created.
 
What's with the changing of the USAPA update from The company will sign the NDA to is going to honor AA's request to not negotiate with us?

Who knows. USAPA probably misheard the news and jumped the gun on the signing.

US Airways' BOD approved the signing of the NDA so that box is checked, but actual NDA was not signed as of yet. Something happened (probably over the weekend) that caused AMR to ask Parker to stop talking with the unions and act as if the NDA is already in effect.
 
We're being asked/forced to pay for apa/aa pilots A PLAN...thank you f'n usapa.

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Just like the west was asked/forced to pay for the east LOA 93 to bring them out of the basement on pay and work rules. It was going to take 90% of the contract just for parity. Karma is a ####. Let's see how APA treats the east. It is going to be a lot better than usapa treated the west.
 
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